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Post by chihuahuas on Apr 2, 2013 7:58:20 GMT -5
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Post by chihuahuas on Apr 2, 2013 7:45:41 GMT -5
More Speed = More power Taller Gear Overdrive Changing the rear end gear is the best way to convert the extra power to speed. Although it may seem a bit confusing at first, You find you current Counter-shaft gear set and do the math. I almost forget, To go Faster add Hello Kitty Stickers to your Scoot
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Post by chihuahuas on Apr 1, 2013 9:27:55 GMT -5
unplug stator plug and see if coils are good with ohm meter.
yellow to engine ground .7 ohms white to engine ground .8 ohms
if the yellow is open that is the problem.
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Post by chihuahuas on Apr 1, 2013 9:02:45 GMT -5
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 31, 2013 23:34:26 GMT -5
you have the wrong regulator you have a full wave R/R (needs a floating ground Stator) You need a half wave R/R this is what they look like this is the inside yellow connects to reg is used for ligjhts white connects to regulator is used to feed regulator "must be used" red out to batt,, not used Black ground as is the metel case is ground also. If you use one of these it will work No Problem. Too use your reg/ref you need to rewire your stator for floating ground. read this mastercircuits.blogspot.com/2012/07/half-wave-to-full-wave-conversion.htmlThe LED's work but you have to connect them backwards. They only work one way they are diodes,, you have the wrong stator for that regulator. you can rewire the stator and make it work, or get the regulator that goes with the stator you have. this is what you got this is your stator this is the connections Update------------------------------------------------ It is possible to use the 5 wire reg if you isolate the ground in the electrical system. Since you have a Rat setup and you will be wiring each circuit manually here is what you do. Stator wire green and white go th AC input on reg. Black wire and red wire from reg bond together. Green from reg floating ground. This cannot be connected to the frame in anyway. It must stay isolated from the chassie. The AC from the stator will now enter the regulator and be regulated at about 14 volts AC. To connect the lights connect to the AC lines from the stator. This will be full wave AC regulated at 14 volts. Connect your CAP and other DC loads to the Red/Green out of the reg. Never connect the green to the Chassis ground because that is being used by the stator and you can share both. update---------------------------- here is a diagram showing the connections I hooked mine up this way and had a beautifully bright halogen headlight with leds tail and brake. Headlight runs on AC fullwave AC. For max power to lamp. the regulator shunts /regulates the AC side. The rectifier changes AC to DC for the DC output. This works with no load at the DC side. You can't measure the output with a meter so hook a lamp to the AC or DC side to test. A 10 watt will do. If you try to measure this with a digital meter it wont display the correct voltage because it is so ragged. You can look at it on an oscilloscope but who's got one of those laying around.
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 31, 2013 12:52:23 GMT -5
Mounted the HID Fashioned a mount with epoxy
Summery: This Mount is not so good the lamp gets extremely hot and the heat dissipation of this small reflector assembly is in question. The Beam pattern is not so efficient.
The fullwave charging system works but I can't measure it's performance with a digital multimeter because the DC is so dirty. I need to look at it on a scope.
What I do is run the lamp when traveling and stop the lamp when i stop, then and listen to the engine run. It takes about 20 seconds to hear rpms increase as the battery is topping off and the charging stops.
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 29, 2013 8:37:01 GMT -5
I use a C-clamp to break the bead. I use flat head screwdrivers to walk the tires on and off. I decided to use innertubes with these tires.
First time is a real pain, but if you do it a few times it gets easy.
I keep extra tires on hand and new inner tubes.
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 28, 2013 12:19:02 GMT -5
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 27, 2013 22:28:00 GMT -5
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 27, 2013 8:09:08 GMT -5
I got it working I am using the original scheme, In my reasearch the way you convert a stator to full wave DC is to isolate the ground. Connect the 2 output wires to a bridge rectifier. Connect each polarity of the ac to a SCR and zener diode array and this shunts excess voltage to regulate the output. In other words slap a regulator on it. Problem in this setup is lacking in power. 50 watts of power is what this produces. I need 65 watts. So where is the loss. The loss come into the equation when wiring the stator to floating ground. You have to delete 1 coil to get 65 watts power. This is the oversight. I unwrapped the last coil and discarded it. On the stock 8 pole stator 2 poles are ignition and 6 poles are power. 1 pole deleted leaves 5 coils. The original lighting coil.
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 26, 2013 12:46:41 GMT -5
I added a 6' length of wire to the Headlamp ground side to act as a resistor to limit the voltage to the headlight, That fixed the headlight overvoltage issue.
I hooked the 4 coils to the rectifier/regulator and it is working as well. The SCR/Zener cutout voltage is 14.56. too high as 14.1 will will start the battery to boil. I plan on adding a 10 amp diode at the feed point to adjust the charge voltage to 13.9. next i need to add larger wire from stator and use fuses as a fire safety.
Then add the HID lamp.
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 26, 2013 8:58:30 GMT -5
To my surprise the 3 coil lighting circuit works great. My concern is the The shunt SCR can't handle the extra power. I will test for an overload by running noload on the circuit and see if the regulator can deal with the power.
Meanwhile I am going to connect the 4 coil floating to a fullwave R/R 4 amp ans see if the SCR's inside the regulator can deal with with the extra power.
On to the next concept: Task: Add car headlight to stock 50cc scoot. Take a stock stator and remove the first coil. The one that hooks to ground. Eliminate the first coil and put it back in the engine, Second Add a larger regulator. This should fix the headlight upgrade issue. from 35 watt to 65 watt. By removing the first coil an increase of about 16% output power. Nothing else need to be done. No HID kit , No HID headlight just a sweet 65 watt halogen rat style headlight running at full brightness.
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 25, 2013 12:19:57 GMT -5
This stator and Regulator works good but I have a ratical idea to double the lighting output from a stock stator. To increase the output power I will increase the voltage by x2. The 8 pole stator has 7 poles wound in magnet wire providing the Inductor to power the electrical system. 2 volts at each coil is the average output rating. I propost to double the voltage to 4 volts and leave the amprege the same increasing the power output to double. To do this i need to rewire the stator once again. 2 seperate circuits. 4 coils x4volts=16 volts 3 coils x4volts = 12 volts 4 coil wrap will be isolated fulwave output to regulator for battery and HID lamp 3 coil wrap will be AC to separate regulator to 50 watt Headlamp. Scooter at idle will not provide enough voltage. at cruise speed this all changes. It's a tradeoff. But for 6000 lumens of light it's wort it. HID 4000 lumens 50watt halogen 1800 lumens Here's a stator that has been reconnected 3x4 connectiond will be enclosed in epoxy The Three coils wired to a 65 watt headlight work great, the engine speed at 2500 rpms brings the lamp to full brightness and the regulator is regulating at 15+volts. I need to run the power through a bridge rectifier to drop the voltage 1.2 volts so the lamp won't burn out to quick. It's insane how bright that headlight gets
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 24, 2013 10:41:59 GMT -5
So I add a 100 ohm resistor between the red and black wire at the regulator harness. This will eliminate an over voltage circumstance. This won't cause a significant drain on the battery. Like this: Second consideration is to have a larger Red wire from battery fuse to regulator(or locate regulator close to the battery)
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Post by chihuahuas on Mar 24, 2013 10:00:47 GMT -5
Napa has the Gates belts , They have them in a Napa Label. 139qmb Shortcase Gates standard PL20507 $19 Napa part no PL20507 Gates Kevlar PL30707 $39 Napa Part no PL30507
Makes it convenient to get one on short notice.
I like to run 2 belts 1 a Gates and 1 is a Bando, I run one for a few months and switch to the other for a few months. Like shoes, I wear one for a while and switch to the other. Takes forever to wear them both out.
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