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Post by bfinny on Mar 4, 2013 20:33:15 GMT -5
ok so ive been lurking the scootdawg forums for a few years now. as we all know you can no longer post so now im here so hi everyone ..im building a bare bones scooter. the main thing i want to accomplish is simplicity. my last scooter was a moto bravo with a long case gy6 no plastics no battery and was kind of franken-scooterish with the lime green back rim. it had the stock harness, the headlight and tailight worked, and was kickstart only. i loved it that way. i could beat the crap out of it. ride wheelies, crash, race and drive normal rain or shine. it was simple to work on started almost every time first kick and then i gave a friend a ride to far to fast and spun a crank bearing. that bike has since been scrapped and now im building a new one. So far ive got a 50 titled 150 from the scrap yard. i installed a gy6 long case with aprox 800 miles on it wired up the cdi direct to the stator then from the cdi direct to the coil all seprate grounds on the frame and the bike runs great! my problem is the white and yellow wire for lighting battery charging and etc. . i have an 8 coil stator producing anywhere around 8v ac/66+v ac from idle to high rpm. i wired them to a regulator and have it converting to dcv but its also anywhere from 8-66+v dc. im tryin to run led strip brake lights and tirn signal and a halogen headlight however the headlight keeps blowing and the leds wont even light at all. please ask any questions and i will respond asap. ive been tryin to rind something on forums for 2 weeks and usually figure things out by now. im at a standstill with this build and want to finish it more than anything .( wires in the pictures with numbers are to identidy whats connected to what if the numbers macth there connected regardless of color.)    |
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Post by bfinny on Mar 4, 2013 20:39:38 GMT -5
oh and this is all going to be without a battery if the scooter gods will allow it. no battery, no starter, shaved smoothed and painted frame, spun aluminum gas tank , and a ruckus style seat with a little wires as possible. thats what im doing in a nutshell
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Post by terrilee on Mar 4, 2013 20:43:08 GMT -5
HELLO & WELCOME bfinny 
JR is the best when it comes to electrical, on any forum i'm on.
give him a chance to come on & answer ya.
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Post by bfinny on Mar 4, 2013 20:52:18 GMT -5
at this point my best thinking got me here and now im stuck so any all advice will be thoroughly appreciated. thanks for giving me hope though. nobody anywhere local can seem to do anything except change plug and play parts..almost bums me out nobody could immagine anything custom
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Post by terrilee on Mar 4, 2013 21:00:24 GMT -5
well, lol
if JR has the time and the problem cant be solved,
he'll keep trying.
theres other smart ppl, also
but JR is 'da man
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 4, 2013 21:06:51 GMT -5
Whats the problem. You don't need a battery to run a scooter that is ac cdi.
John
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Post by tvnacman on Mar 4, 2013 21:11:19 GMT -5
You need ballast resisters or something to load the extra power. The head lights are they wired ac or dcv?
John
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Post by bfinny on Mar 4, 2013 22:35:56 GMT -5
the bike runs like a dream. there are 5 wires from the stator out two are ac to run the engine. one is a ground. and the other 2 are for lights or battery charging im trying to run led lights in the rear (small strip leds from autozone ) and a 55watt halogen up front i belive it was a t3? bulb
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Post by bfinny on Mar 4, 2013 22:39:47 GMT -5
if anyone wants pictures of anything tomorrow let me know tonight i walk to my work where its being worked on every day and try to only do it one time
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Post by justbuggin2 on Mar 4, 2013 23:22:42 GMT -5
ok form what i see you got a R/R for and 11 pole stator you need a four wire R/R i think you will be able to get it to work with the right R/R you may want to test the LEDs with a battery to make sure they are not burned out with that much power going to them
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Post by bfinny on Mar 5, 2013 0:27:32 GMT -5
i saved the in store batteries and switch they have wired up for display. lights tested ok. could anybody explain whats going on inside these R/R's? i know i read somewhere about the bat-pacs being cut open and being nothing more than a capacitor. just makes me wonder if something could be made with superior parts with the right knowledge.
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Post by bfinny on Mar 5, 2013 0:28:51 GMT -5
is it correct that also running without a battery damages R/R's? i read so much sometimes i see conflicting theories...whats yall opinion
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Post by justbuggin2 on Mar 5, 2013 3:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by inkyben on Mar 5, 2013 8:16:26 GMT -5
I ran mine without a battery and the R/R failed. Even with a dead battery in the bike it'll keep the R/R alive. Test the volts that lead into the headlight, usually when headlights keep blowing its due to the R/R failing.
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Post by JR on Mar 5, 2013 13:38:50 GMT -5
You can run this R/R with this stator set up but going to have to use a battery. This is a 5-pin R/R and the black wire does only one thing, read voltage and tells the regulator side of the R/R to either send more voltage to the battery if it's weak or the scooter needs more charging volts. With no battery it is telling the R/R to charge at it's max output thus burning things up and will also burn up itself if ran wide open all the time. If you want to run with no battery then your best bet is to go to a 4-pin R/R and install this: bat-pac.com/index.htmThis takes the place of the battery. Even if you decide to just use a dead battery I would in that case still change to a 4-pin R/R. JR |
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