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Post by carasdad on May 1, 2013 7:37:42 GMT -5
I can see how they would use round numbers for scooters/bikes that are bone stock and completely assembled. When talking about upgrades it seems a little ridiculous though, IMO. Especially for the 50cc scooter category. Listing an 80cc as 100cc is quite the roundup. It's also misleading to people that don't know better. 20cc "extra" is a huge difference in these smaller engine scoots. It reminds me of the Buy One Get One free gimmick that Phantom fireworks has. They charge you twice as much as the guy down the road, but hey you get one "free". People really think they are getting such a great deal. LMAO! at the Phantom fireworks dude... Up until last year nearly all fireworks were illegal in Michigan..basically if you could light it with a match or cigarette lighter....it was illegal to sell. So we would drive 45 miles to the Indiana border....and yes..on my 50cc scooter with luggage box. The first 3 shops..the second you hit the border...was Phantom Fireworks...with ridiculous prices and gimmicks. 'Buy one get one free' is he nuts? This is America..the only thing free is...is....hmm..is..ok we gotta come back to that..can't think of anything right now. Anyway if you drove another mile into Indiana TNT fireworks had a store and you could buy 2 items cheaper than the 1st places 'buy one get one free' It was a tourist trap for those of us border crossers.  As for scoot..I agree my Suzuki RM250 being 247..but called a 250 is acceptable. But 9 years ago when I bought my first Gy6 50cc's...80 Big Bore Kit....I was like kewl..30cc's more! Of course back then since they were new to the market or sumpin...they cost close to $150.00 just for a cylinder and piston kit!  One day while doing the math trying to figure a way for more power..bore and stroke calculated out to 72cc. I was like huh? The original gy6 50cc that we use was originally designed as a 72cc as they are allowed in Asian and a several other countries..so I just paid $150.00 for 22cc more and what they get for free. Each season my RM250 required an overbore as Motocross heats eat the top end quickly. So you start at 10 over..next is 20 over..then 30 over. With a $100.00 charge for the cylinder bore..and close to that for a Wiseco piston and ring set.  So my lil scoot was almost as expensive. 30 over puts ya above your class be it 125 or 250. Some folks went up to 60 over but that puts your stock 247cc well over that and if caught you were disqualified for the season...for running an engine above your class...and if you clock in a fast time...they do measure your bore! Where is this leading?...well a guy down the road did not know they made BBK kits for GY6 50's...so he had the cycle machine shop bore his 30 over when the piston..rings and cylinder wore.(cause he rides with a huge jet and NO airfilter) Low and behold I did not know Wiseco made piston kits for these things. Actually I think he said it was a Honda XR 50 or XR70 piston and rings.....30 over..Going this route it cost him $278.00 for his BBK rebuild...so I told him I sell 80 BBK's for $42.00 at my parts/repair shop..boy was he mad..  Doubt this helped ya any...but it was worth sharing.. ;D |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 22:17:52 GMT -5
where can I find these ground wires? Easy...they are fat green or black wires and bolt to the frame and engine. the one for the kill switch is..well...in the kill switch. ;D See you had the answers already...just gotta have more faith in yourself..  |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 22:02:56 GMT -5
My fuses by the battery is keep being burned... It is 15 A 250V . I have blown 3 fuses in short period of time. like in 3 days. I change and it lasts for about 100 miles and get blown. anyone had same experience? yes...when I had a bad frame ground wire...and a few times because the kill switches are NOTORIOUS for having bad grounds or shorts in them. One way to tell..check all your ground wires..frame ground and engine ground. Then I unplugged my kill switch..no more blown fuses..so I had to replace the kill switch. |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 21:29:54 GMT -5
No need to be rude. I did pay attention in math class in High School and College. Although my degree may be in Nursing...it does NOT make me an idiot...I graduated with a 3.9. Also I have a MENSA card..I will scan it and send you a copy.  My father was an electronics engineer..so I know ohms law and other formulas as he used to nearly preach them to me daily. Wanted me to follow his footsteps but was so annoyed with it I joined the military instead. I was trying to explain why more CCA would not ruin a starter..in plain simple terms that he may understand. If you read...what I asked for was help from a 'person in the know'..like you... not a rude snide commentary like you gave. Apologize for your crude and insulting post..and I will accept it. shalomrider. Thank you! Exactly what nearly all of us have experienced...that when the battery voltage is low or amperage is low...the starter is drawing more amperage than the battery can give...so the starter and solenoid get hot and can fry. After all...if that was not the case...why in the do folks try to buy the highest amperage rated battery they can fit in the scoot. Is it because higher CCA is going to burn up their starting system and that is what they want??. NO..of course not..as you know and just stated..it is just the OPPOSITE...they want that power there so they don't put a strain on the system. "Real" electricians unlike nulldevice will hopefully jump in and show that you and I are correct..  Geez, I had a father-in-law like you. You are one of those who can tear into someone hard enough to give them a new back orifice, but you take a gentle humorous remark and think it is an attack on you. I have nothing to apologize to you for. Hmm a bit defensive I see...above what would be considered normal if it was truly just a joke huh? By comparing me to a person you disliked in the past..is yet adding more insult to injury. I am not as dumb as ya think. You Sir insulted my intelligence..and now you are 'back paddling' Your apology is not needed..for doing so would be nothing more than a formality or facade with no true meaning..other that to allow you to 'save face'.. Best of wishes...happy riding..keep your head on a swivel for cagers..and be safe out there. Glenn |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 21:22:06 GMT -5
Starting midweek I will be selling these on Ebay. $73.00 with free shipping.My handle there is imskooly. Even after the abuse and torture I delved out to the battery...it is still good as new. Unlike other Lithium batteries that are $150+ and need a $70 charger. These work with a regular charger. If you deplete it to 10.8v or less you get that typical partial engagement of the Bendix or slow cranking. You can trickle charge for a few hours and it will be 100%...or if you are in a hurry you can charge it at 2amps for 10 minutes which will give it about  % charge and your scoot will top it off after a few miles of riding. Glenn |
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Tires?
by: carasdad - Apr 30, 2013 20:55:20 GMT -5
Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 20:55:20 GMT -5
Are you sure a 110/80-10 will fit your scoot? That's a pretty high profile tire. Much larger in diameter than the standard 3.50-10 many scoots come with on the shortcase engine.  It's the size that is on there now. Pretty sure these are the original tires. Plus, that's the size that's on the label on the scooter. kewl..yer good then.. check here...good price! www.americanmototire.com/catalog/index.php?manufacturers_id=567 <--- FREE SHIPPING EVEN.. ;D |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 20:44:49 GMT -5
As alleyoop said...or make one of these in the link below. It is a post and project I made for our old site. Mount the Hamster bottle up and back like alleyoop mentioned in his post. Read the link and you will see how it works and what it does. Sure keeps my uncle engine clean. Before Installed that for him..he just left the hose open and everything became cover in foamy moisture oil film.  This will collect oil vapors and when engine is shut down..oil goes back into the engine..vice all over your scoot or the street. scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=talk&thread=53726&page=1#522106 |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 20:36:08 GMT -5
DX unfair! We only get to pick "What HE said"...ladies let admin know you want this fixed!  I agree with ya..looks like part of some bizarre style PAIR system. |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 20:31:15 GMT -5
I just change out the socket and replace the bulbs with bulbs from the auto parts store. They have the sockets too. Some modification is needed, but works great. Lots of folks go that route..or the HID route. Both work well. But girl..you are talking like...manual labor and other like that... ;D I did that on one scoot...but the Auto parts store wanted $24.98 for a pair of bulbs. But we Native Americans are cheap like that...if we can't trap it...catch it...shoot it...or trade some cheap beads for something..we don't want it... Glenn..aka..Yayiima benatigee |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 20:24:57 GMT -5
[replyingto=onewheeldrive]onewheeldrive[/replyingto]Pretty much has always been that way. Japan started it in the 50's with their first motorcycles to come across the pond....the 150 Honda dream...which was actually 146cc. They just round up to make it seem more I guess? My Suzuki RM250 is stamped 247cm3 on the cylinder...and called a 250. But even if it was true 250 vice 247..That power house 2T ....I would never know the difference... Below is a very good article and timeline on Honda...the company that started all the high performance bikes. Of course William Harley and Arthur Davidson began it all in 1901 with their 116cc powered bicycle..in 1903 their second bike was 405cc and the flywheel alone weighed 28lbs!!They were looking for pure power and torque..while across the pond Honda was building bicycles until 1949 when they built their first motorcycle....the 98cc Dream. In 1949 when Honda entered the motorcycle market...they were into high speed performance and car racing....vice power and stump pulling torque. Soichiro Honda was tired of all the 2 stroke noise and exhaust and began designing 4 stroke motorcycles and in 1951 produced the 146cc Dream. Which a few sold in the U.S. But Honda entered another market as well producing 50cc 2 stroke bolt on bicycle motors. So bottom line is...as far back as the history of motorcycles..mopeds and scooters go.....50..80..100 125..250 etc have never been their true displacement..Just a nice even number given to show what displacement class they were in. www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/history-honda-motorcycle.htmlAttachments:
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Tires?
by: carasdad - Apr 30, 2013 19:00:01 GMT -5
Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 19:00:01 GMT -5
Are you sure a 110/80-10 will fit your scoot? That's a pretty high profile tire. Much larger in diameter than the standard 3.50-10 many scoots come with on the shortcase engine. |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 18:53:24 GMT -5
great link getting all bulbs there now millsc...stick with me brother...you know me ..I gotta lotta ideas..tricks and links up me sleeve. I even know places where you can get things that are free for 1/2 price... ..... ;D Just a reminder..which you already know..always wipe Halogen bulbs spotless with a rag cause the oil from our fingers causes hot spots which makes them burn out. Yer gonna like the quality of the bulbs. I am sure you have seen some of the ba15 bulbs on scoots you worked on...where the quality was so bad..that ring that goes around the base is tack welded on crooked...or ba20 bulbs where the indexing notches that lock into the socket..were too big.. Not these bulbs..again..quality! |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 13:43:50 GMT -5
Hey Guys, I am working on my brother's scooter, a 2012 with QMB139. It doesn't start after it was stored for the winter. The battery is charged and the starter is turning. He didn't add stabil to the gas, so I decided to remove the carb and clean it. Well, look at the screws under the carb. There aren't any heads to the screws. Any of you guys have this problem? If so, what have you done? Thanks. Those screws are called "Shear Screws"....they are even using them on new cars..so you can't tune or change anything..that way it meets the EPA wishes. Sad part is...they are way to lean..and you can't fix it. You just ride a few hundred miles until the piston melts down or breaks.. I as many above..use a Dremel tool to slot them and change the jet main jet. Before a 'performance carb' will do any good...you need a performance engine. Otherwise it is like putting a Mustang 5.0 HO cam in your lawmower. There won't be a power increase...and you won't get it to run. ;D |
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 13:34:39 GMT -5
DX Those are expensive...for the same thing the vendors in above banners sell cheaper...
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Post by carasdad on Apr 30, 2013 13:30:55 GMT -5
28mm on a 72cc 2t?...wow..overkill my 250 dirtbikes used 28mm carbs. You are sucking NOTHING but pure air...reason it dies when you cut the choke off. That would be like you sticking your head in a 12" drain pipe that many use under the driveway to keep water from flooding the ditch...and then you try to suck a Ping Pong ball through it.. ;D
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As for scoot..I agree my Suzuki RM250 being 247..but called a 250 is acceptable. But 9 years ago when I bought my first Gy6 50cc's...80 Big Bore Kit....I was like kewl..30cc's more! Of course back then since they were new to the market or sumpin...they cost close to $150.00 just for a cylinder and piston kit! 
% charge and your scoot will top it off after a few miles of riding. 
