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Post by JoeyBee on Feb 11, 2015 20:53:15 GMT -5
I agree with above comment,,that scooter wont last very long if you are riding it around in all that calcium chloride and salt......nope,,not at least without constant maintenance and repair. I second that. lain has enough on his repair list without having more added to the list. I'm a southerner that doesn't have to deal with Icey roads. But from a scientific standpoint regular hand washing with vinegar, or other mildly acidic solution, then water could help with reducing the negative effects from the crap they put on the roads. |
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Post by jerseyboy on Feb 11, 2015 20:59:16 GMT -5
I agree with above comment,,that scooter wont last very long if you are riding it around in all that calcium chloride and salt......nope,,not at least without constant maintenance and repair. I second that. lain has enough on his repair list without having more added to the list. I'm a southerner that doesn't have to deal with Icey roads. But from a scientific standpoint regular hand washing with vinegar, or other mildly acidic solution, then water could help with reducing the negative effects from the crap they put on the roads. Yeah,, Its going to get all up in the connections on the main harness that feeds lights,switches,CDI,RR,stator,pick up coil,ignition coil,grounds,,enricher,and corrode all that stuff,,if I where him and had to ride it through that junk I would flood all the connectors with Permatex Dielectric grease,,that stuff works good on keeping junk out of connections.He will pull them apart in the spring and they will look like new......good stuff! |
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Post by lain on Feb 11, 2015 21:46:16 GMT -5
It's really not as bad as you guys think. Not much has been corroded on the scooter in it's life of riding in NE. In it's life it has had 1 corroded wire.
Now to get back to the subject. Still not sure how the back brake works or what I need to replace or what I am not seeing. The drum brake looks fine on the inside but the lever under the brake and CVT still does not move back and forth without using tools to make it move. I cleaned the lever under the drum and CVT with brake cleaner and wd40, it still does not move without using tools to move it.
Is there something I can loosen to loosen this like a bolt somewhere or a nut or a screw or something? Why would the lever stop moving? It was completely fine the other day...
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Post by lain on Feb 11, 2015 22:32:20 GMT -5
I'm trying to find a diagram or something that shows the brake in pieces like it does in the gy6 manual where ti shows how everything goes together with lines and arrows and all the parts are floating about. The closest thing I found so far is this: www.dansmc.com/singleshoebrake.jpgAnyone know of a good diagram so I can figure out what I am doing here? I was not able to get the shoes off earlier, I believe a diagram would also help witht his so I can get behind the shoes and see if there's something there holding it up. |
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Post by scoot08 on Feb 14, 2015 22:33:31 GMT -5
Man you guys in the north east have big conoees more power to you (glad I live in sunny Cal)not to rube it in but it was 74 degrees today warm for this time of the year even in sunny Nor. Cal.this may sound sound crazy to you guys but I wish it would rain we need it.anyway looking forward to spring ,good luck with your brake problem hope you solve it soon.later
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Post by jerseyboy on Feb 14, 2015 22:59:30 GMT -5
Hows the weather up there tonight lain?
lol
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 14, 2015 23:18:29 GMT -5
Lain , have you checked inside the drum ? One reason the arm will not automatically go back into place would be a broken or out of place brake shoe spring. Or some how th brake shoe is jammed up. If u already posted that u checked the inner drum for these issues I apologize for missing it. I skimmed the thread pretty quick.
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Post by lain on Feb 15, 2015 9:24:37 GMT -5
Hows the weather up there tonight lain? lol Our doors are snowed over, the streets have not been plowed and are now about 3-4 feet of snow in the streets. Can't get out of the house at the moment, but gonna try climbing otu the window to shovel out my front door or something soon. Disappointing there was no thunder snow though, I stayed up late last night to see it because weather.com predicted thunder snow and I've only seen it once in my life. Apparently it is a rare occurrence, and so cool! It's like crazy scary to some people, or to people like me super exciting. you get to see lightning in snow, it looks crazy! The world lights up like so much more compared to a regular T storm with rain cuz of all the snow to reflect off in the air, and with the wind blowing the snow it makes tons of tiny shadows in the air when the lightning goes off. |
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Post by lain on Feb 15, 2015 9:26:30 GMT -5
Lain , have you checked inside the drum ? One reason the arm will not automatically go back into place would be a broken or out of place brake shoe spring. Or some how th brake shoe is jammed up. If u already posted that u checked the inner drum for these issues I apologize for missing it. I skimmed the thread pretty quick. I didn't remove the drum brake to look behind it, I was confused as to how to remove it because I could not see any bolts or anything obvious to unscrew. I did however use lots of wire brushes to clean behind it as best as I could, lol, but probably not good enough. So The little lever connects to a spring? |
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Post by rockynv on Feb 15, 2015 10:04:18 GMT -5
The frame tube is rust free. Suprisingly. I just cleaned out the drum brake and brushed all the gunk out. The tiny lever under the CVT that holds onto the wire near the back wheel will not come back out when I pull the lever still. It took me using a wrench and pulling the lever back out with enough force the scooter almost back wheeled up onto me. After pulling the lever out to the fully disengaged position the wheel was able to move freely without resistance from the brake. But as it stands I cannot use the back brake without it locking up on me when I use it... Is there something that tightens the lever? Not sure exactly how this brake works. The problem is that while the external part of the frame may look good you will not be able to tell anything about the inside of the tubing. Most have no primer or rustproofing inside them except for the first few inches at either end. I have broken some good looking ones in half over my knee which shocked the owners. Imagine that when going over a speed bump, a dip in the road or some expansion joint at 50 mph. You really need to take the back wheel off and completely disassemble the brakes cleaning everything with a non-flamable/non-greasy cleaner lubricating all the the pivot points with brake system grease afterwards paying special attention to the shaft on the brake cam where it goes through the backing plate. Hopefully the housing has not been worn/corroded so badly that it will need replacement after its been cleaned up. |
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Post by lain on Feb 15, 2015 10:10:27 GMT -5
The frame tube is rust free. Suprisingly. I just cleaned out the drum brake and brushed all the gunk out. The tiny lever under the CVT that holds onto the wire near the back wheel will not come back out when I pull the lever still. It took me using a wrench and pulling the lever back out with enough force the scooter almost back wheeled up onto me. After pulling the lever out to the fully disengaged position the wheel was able to move freely without resistance from the brake. But as it stands I cannot use the back brake without it locking up on me when I use it... Is there something that tightens the lever? Not sure exactly how this brake works. The problem is that while the external part of the frame may look good you will not be able to tell anything about the inside of the tubing. Most have not primer or rustproofing inside them except for the first few inches at either end. I have broken some good looking ones in half over my knee which shocked the owners. Imagine that when going over a speed bump, a dip in the road or some expansion joint at 50 mph. Lol I imagine if I went over a speed bump at 50 the next thing I would see is the Doctor at the ICU lol. But yeah I get what you are saying. I think I may just order a new rear brake assembly. I've replaced the front brake twice in the time I have owned the scoot so I figure the back is most likely well out of recommended service tolerances. I just don't really use the back brake, just as emergency brake really. I usually just slow stop with the front brake only when I stop, I only use the back brake when I need to suddenly stop and I only use it while using the front at the same time anyways. |
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Post by jerseyboy on Feb 15, 2015 16:16:30 GMT -5
Actually you might be alright over the speed bump,,but the frame..................thats a different story...lol
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Post by geh3333 on Feb 15, 2015 18:40:04 GMT -5
Lain , have you checked inside the drum ? One reason the arm will not automatically go back into place would be a broken or out of place brake shoe spring. Or some how th brake shoe is jammed up. If u already posted that u checked the inner drum for these issues I apologize for missing it. I skimmed the thread pretty quick. I didn't remove the drum brake to look behind it, I was confused as to how to remove it because I could not see any bolts or anything obvious to unscrew. I did however use lots of wire brushes to clean behind it as best as I could, lol, but probably not good enough. So The little lever connects to a spring? The lever connects to a part that as it turns it pushes the shoes apart . the shoes are connected in the drum by springs and should pull the brakes back together thus push the lever back. Hope that helps |
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Post by rcq92130 on Feb 15, 2015 19:27:41 GMT -5
THREAD HIJACK WARNING (sorry, Lian)
So ---- GEH ----- since my max RPMs are only about 7200 (even with 9gr sliders) --- I suppose I should get a non-OEM torque spring to drive the rev into a higher range ... right?
They come in 1,000, 1,500, & 2,000 RPM versions. I get what that means but do not know which would be appropriate.
Your opinion?
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Post by rcq92130 on Feb 15, 2015 19:36:49 GMT -5
ps: Lian
Just to cheer you up, it's been blue skies and in the mid to high 80s here in San Diego all week.
I know that will help you feel better and am happy to have helped!
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