How can we be so arrogant (towards the Chinese)?  By  prodigit (Read 13,130 times)

I did'nt want to respond to this cause I thought it would get political. IT HAS.I like my chinese scooter,But I hate the circumstances and abhorrent conditions in it's place of origin.I beleive wholeheatedly that AMERICAN GREED.is more responsible for the exploitation of chinese people than OL Mousey tounge himself!The Nixon administration apparently had a plan...and it worked

post #5 of this thread by Tarkus:

"Thankyou.
For a while I thought that the "gift" of low priced products talked of here was to be respected. It's not.

We can try to kid ourselves about who and how these scooters are made but the fact remains that china cares about nothing but the money. It doesn't matter that workers toil in horrid conditions for little pay. When one worker goes down remove them and add another.

Yes American industry can be a nasty place but since the early 1900's there has been at least some recourse to the "robber Barron" method of factory control. To even make a comparison is ludicrous. China makes American industry, as bad as some companies may be, look like saints.

I consume as many china made products every day as the next guy but never forget what I saw in china. No these people didn't set out to give us a gift."

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Before you tell me I'm pitching a "moral high ground" go back and read the above from my second post of this thread.

No moral high ground just stating a fact. I don't fool myself into thinking all is well where so many products we consume are made.

Sure those nasty conspiracy folks from the NY Times, Bloomberg, Washington Post and the UN etal just keep spreading those lies.

Just because one sees a video of smiling workers and no children at a plant that the government allows visitors doesnt mean all is well. Again I see no video of the mines, rubber plants etc.

Not much more to say.

How many of those low earning employes are capable of operating their company and keeping it in the black? Just asking.
We have in this country freedom of choice. If you don't like the methods of how the Chinese are able to produce a less expensive bike, then don't buy one.

Wow....blaming Nixon? It's been years since I've heard that one!

One good thing about low paid assembly line workers is one disgruntled worker can only screw up one part rather than the whole thing.

Well China has been known for making cheap junk , not just scooters . Many of the olders were bad but they have improved since so many of us buy them . Some brands like CFMoto or SYM are making a good name for themselves buy making a better quality product than most of the other brands like TaoTao . I have had many Honda , Suzuki and european two wheelers from mopeds to streetbikes when I was young . I had a Honda Elite and a Spree which I loved and rode it for 3 years . My Spree it was wrecked so I had to replace the broken forks and front tire . I rode like any wild teen would and only cleaned the airfilter , changed the gear lube and replaced the tires . Never once had an issue at all , not even a bulb burn out .

Weeeeellllll....... after being sick of putting 80 dollars a week of gas in my van and having two wheel withdrawals I wanted to get a scooter since they are cheap to buy , awesome on MPGs and run to ride . Well Honda MSRPs are outrageous as you can buy a decent used 600cc street bike or car for the price of a new Honda scooter . I had to have a new scooter as I did not want to buy one that was abused or possibly stolen . There is several China scoot shops in town so I looked around and compared price , selection and warranty . I have seen plenty of Peace and TaoTao scooters around so I guessed they were decent . I bought a TaoTao ATMa ( my first China scoot ) and I took it back within a 1/4 of a mile as the front tire had such a knot it was unsafe to ride . Got the tire replaced and rode it around the block since it was new and not broken in . The next day I go for a ride and dang it had lost power . I pulled over to see if something broke or came loose . Took it to the dealer since it was less than 24 hours old and under warranty . He told me the piston had a hairline crack and would have to rebuild the engine . NEVER in my life have had or heard of piston cracking on a brand new engine . I took it easier on the rebuild and it lasted 6 weeks and this time it burned a hole in the piston and it erupted into pieces . I had a mental meltdown and decided to do research on these China scooters as they are nothing like Honda quality . I joined the old place and posted about my misfortune . What was funny is my scooter dealer had replied to my post not knowing it was from a customer of his . I had another suggest that I get an Air Sal 50mm BBK as no way did I want another piston kit to tear up again . Ironic my dealer had just gotten in two of t the Air Sal kits and sold it to me for his cost and rebuilt it again for free . Im a big guy and crazy at times so I think I scared him a lil since I was so upset . The Air Sal ( made in Spain ) had a machined piston with a high temp ceramic coating to prevent heat damage and had aluminum cylibder instead of iron which also had the coating . It NEVER cracked and I saw the guy who I sold it to a few months ago still running good as he only had to replace the belt and tires so far . I let him test drive it since his old scooter blew up and he needed a scoot for work and just became first time father with a newborn baby . Me having 3 kids know how expensive they can be I took a loss to help him get on his feet since I had bought my Echarm and I loved it .

I have noticed how China metal is waaaaay softer than American , Japanese or German screws and nuts . I have had screw heads mar up with normal use of tools that normally never happen . I have also seen many China exhaust pipes seem to rot away and disintegrate .

I bought the CFMoto Echarm after reading up and watching the MRP video where they compared it to a similar looking scooter . The fact that it has EFI ( old Ducatti unit ) , LC engine instead of AC like most , disc brakes F&R as I hate cabled drums and it has a 2 year full warranty with unlimited mileage . Honda has a limited 1 year warranty on engine and drivetrain only . Mine even the tires and bulbs were covered .

I also have a Jonway Magnum which is a 2T and I am also happy with it . I was shocked to read many other Jonway owners said theirs was a lemon like my TaoTao was .

To me it is a great idea to buy a China scoot to mess with with such a huge supply of after market parts and mod options compared to name brand scooters that can be proprietary designed parts instead of universal like the China ones . I have built " white boxes " which is computers built with on the shelve parts since you have huge option of brands to pick from instead of being oddball like some HP and other brand name computers are .

Here you go ill lay it on the table as you say.

I worked for a company that had/has practices of severe exploitation.
You own a scooter that has parts made by exploited workers.

I'm part of the problem, you're part of the problem. To deny there is a problem is not accepting facts. There is no way for you to check to manufacturing of every part in your scooter. By the way you talk about the rubber but still didn't mention the metal. That's a side step.

There all laid out. Your claim that I don't like china scooters is off the wall and childish.
I have not made a comment on the quality of the product.

You sir have a problem with the truth.
With that I'm done.

Good day.