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Post by spandi on Aug 27, 2013 8:50:26 GMT -5
There is little doubt that China engages is human right abuses. Where I disagree is in whether or not the parts from my scooter were made by the (apocryphal) exploited children as such. But this is a monster created when American Business in search of even greater profits and "opportunity" that decided to think short term, gut the manufacturing capability of the U.S. and ship it to China. With the after effects of an eviscerated middle class that we've been living with ever since.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 28, 2013 4:16:59 GMT -5
After reading Rocky's post, I couldn't help but be thankful that I was born and raised in America. Thank you all who sacrificed so much in order to keep us all free. Xiaou would tell us we should be thankfull that we were born here and that most of us don't really give proper consideration to how lucky we are. Although we worked for the same company I worked in a secure and confidential area while he worked on civilian open contracts. We still included him in our team meetings and only excluded him when we had to discuss confidential matters. We would joke with him that we had to switch over to the Dark Side and he would take his leave graciously. We included him when we went out to lunch for an all you can eat Pizza feast or hit a local Pasta Palace and he would bring us for family treatment at local Chinese buffetts where we would get preferential treatment. Special trays that were not on the buffett line would be brought to the table and tea would be served in China pots instead of stainless steel. I had him jumping for joy when I asked for his help with geometry to resolve a coding issue that he had failed on and had been reassigned to me. We did digital mapping and some of the cartographers had created many maps using geometric patterns that the client did not want so they were not acceptable for delivery. You should have seen the look on his face when we applied his math and my code to the first map and all the incorrect lines got wide and turned a light transparent gray and a then bright thin red line started to be drawn down the center of the light gray ones using plain lines with no geometric patterns, arcs or figures. When the drawing action was done then the grey lines dissapeared and the red lines went back to the original colors and attributes maintaining the database connections and went back to the correct map layers. I really surprised him when I sent the programming manager a note crediting him for his contribution towards solving the problem so he got part of the bonus attached to getting this done and saveing the company many thousands of dollars. I see him jumping up and down like a small child in my office, all 6' 3" of him, like it was yesterday everytime I look and the Oriental Figure he brought back from China for me that he said exemplified my character as a mentor who took him under his wing for which he was very gratefull. A very nice person whom I deeply respect as an individual.
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Post by danno on Aug 28, 2013 10:12:08 GMT -5
There is little doubt that China engages is human right abuses. Where I disagree is in whether or not the parts from my scooter were made by the (apocryphal) exploited children as such. But this is a monster created when American Business in search of even greater profits and "opportunity" that decided to think short term, gut the manufacturing capability of the U.S. and ship it to China. With the after effects of an eviscerated middle class that we've been living with ever since. It's my opinion that most American companies would rather use American parts if it made economic sense. When your competition is paying a fraction of what you would pay for American parts, you have little choice. Companies are forced to be competitive if they're going to survive. They're forced to go oversees to remain competitive.
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Post by spandi on Aug 28, 2013 10:26:12 GMT -5
The trouble is when American companies switch to Chinese workers (at much less cost to themselves) the price of a given item STAYS THE SAME. So where is the "competitive pricing"?
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Post by danno on Aug 28, 2013 11:47:35 GMT -5
The trouble is when American companies switch to Chinese workers (at much less cost to themselves) the price of a given item STAYS THE SAME. So where is the "competitive pricing"? Are they Chinese employees of American companies or are American companies mostly out sourcing their products to the Chinese companies? I don't know the profit margins for individual scooter manufactures. Do you? There is a percentage of the population that seems to think many businesses make too much money. They have this opinion without having all the facts. For example, BIG OIL. For every gallon of gasoline and other products refined and sold in the United States, oil companies earned about 7 cents. Now compare that to the 40 to 60 cents per gallon that went from gasoline consumers to the government (state and federal) in gasoline taxes. Why do people call these companies greedy and not the US Government? Just asking....
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Post by spandi on Aug 28, 2013 12:29:02 GMT -5
Actually it's about 7 1/2 cents PER DOLLAR of product sold. (that's why Exxon pulls in roughly 9 billion per quarter.)
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Post by prodigit on Aug 28, 2013 12:32:37 GMT -5
Whoo, A lot of politics, and ethnic talk here! Still, we can be grateful that the chinese are making these things. If it wasn't for them, we'd all be stuck with either 2/3rd more expensive Korean models, or double to quadruple priced Japanese or USA bikes.
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Post by danno on Aug 28, 2013 12:38:03 GMT -5
Whoo, A lot of politics, and ethnic talk here! Still, we can be grateful that the chinese are making these things. If it wasn't for them, we'd all be stuck with either 2/3rd more expensive Korean models, or double to quadruple priced Japanese or USA bikes. I don't mind cheap underwear from the Chinese, but I personally don't want to trust them with my life with their inferior parts as i head down the highway at 65mph.
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Post by danno on Aug 28, 2013 12:39:09 GMT -5
Actually it's about 7 1/2 cents PER DOLLAR of product sold. (that's why Exxon pulls in roughly 9 billion per quarter.) Greetings consumers I suppose.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 28, 2013 22:50:40 GMT -5
Whoo, A lot of politics, and ethnic talk here! Still, we can be grateful that the chinese are making these things. If it wasn't for them, we'd all be stuck with either 2/3rd more expensive Korean models, or double to quadruple priced Japanese or USA bikes. I don't mind cheap underwear from the Chinese, but I personally don't want to trust them with my life with their inferior parts as i head down the highway at 65mph. I've ran my 50cc @ 50MPH, my 127cc @60mph, my 150cc@63MPH, and my 260cc @ 80MPH for a few 1 hour trips, and more, without problems. Each one of them I've ridden at least once on a 4 hour trip, some even doing 5 or 6 hour trips on, with varying speeds. Even chinese products make noises or give hints when something is not right. They don't just simply explode while you're riding 60 on the highway!
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Post by danno on Aug 29, 2013 4:15:26 GMT -5
I don't mind cheap underwear from the Chinese, but I personally don't want to trust them with my life with their inferior parts as i head down the highway at 65mph. I've ran my 50cc @ 50MPH, my 127cc @60mph, my 150cc@63MPH, and my 260cc @ 80MPH for a few 1 hour trips, and more, without problems. Each one of them I've ridden at least once on a 4 hour trip, some even doing 5 or 6 hour trips on, with varying speeds. Even chinese products make noises or give hints when something is not right. They don't just simply explode while you're riding 60 on the highway! Call me insecure then, I'm fine with that. Knowing that the Chinese produce bikes with inferior parts makes me that way, especially if I'm moving at 65mph. I wish you more success and happiness.
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Post by gitsum on Aug 29, 2013 23:18:39 GMT -5
I've ran my 50cc @ 50MPH, my 127cc @60mph, my 150cc@63MPH, and my 260cc @ 80MPH for a few 1 hour trips, and more, without problems. Each one of them I've ridden at least once on a 4 hour trip, some even doing 5 or 6 hour trips on, with varying speeds. Wow! A whole hour? That's impressive! A four hour trip? That's dang near bulletproof! Those chinometers really make you fly
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Post by spandi on Aug 30, 2013 0:46:40 GMT -5
Most of the people here have Chinese scoots and overall are happy with them. If you wish to add constructive imput you're more than welcome, otherwise there are other places (such as the SYMforum) where you views will be much more appreciated. :#
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Post by prodigit on Aug 30, 2013 3:07:09 GMT -5
yeah, it does not surprise me... It may not look a lot, but 4 to 6 hours on a china bike, is a long time! I know few people who can ride longer, but it's not a pleasant experience.
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Post by danno on Aug 30, 2013 4:28:42 GMT -5
Most of the people here have Chinese scoots and overall are happy with them. If you wish to add constructive imput you're more than welcome, otherwise there are other places (such as the SYMforum) where you views will be much more appreciated. I thought we were here to share opinions and experiences? I didn't realize the idea was to chase away those that have a different opinion than yours.
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