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I'm sure that a Cavalier doesn't have a Toyota engine.

Ride a few thousand miles on the Chinese 250 and if the rest of it holds up, then you can tell us if the new bearing failed, and then we'll all be sure.

Bravo on you mature response. In regards to your poor moderator attitude and your fascination with this thread and topic, I think it's appropriate to thank you for modifying one of my posts. It shows good taste and class

I'll give it a rest when you do

I'm not going away, I guess you'll have to ban me. I'm not sure for what, I'm just defending my position like everyone else. I guess I'm just pissing you off for debating in a thread that was specifically about the issue that I (and others) are talking about.

Keep up the good work mod!

Yeah, they don't seem to want to discuss or consider the Taiwanese "budget" models, it doesn't support the argument of Chinese scooter value.

When someone found a new 2010 Kymco Agility 125 for under a grand, they just dissed it as too old or a fake. I paid cash for a new 2009 Suzuki TU250X at the end of 2011, it was still looking brand spanking new and had 5 miles on it, just like that Kymco probably does.

I guess a Chinese scooter with cheap plastic panels and a low class paint job must deteriorate badly after just sitting around on the show room floor for a couple of years

I wish I lived closer to the awesome deal on the Agility, I'd buy just for the price, whether I need it or not.

I'd more than willing to believe you, but your still leaving something out. Was it a Zuma 50 or a Zuma 125? If I was riding a Zuma 50 and found it not fast enough for the type of riding I was using it for, any brand 150cc would work better and be much more capable. There is a huge difference in performance.

I could be wrong, but I can't see someone going from a Zuma 125 to a Chinese 150 and liking it more. That doesn't make any sense...

OK, here's the difference. = IMO

I have owned two Chinese scooters. One cheapo, and paid extra for one that was "better" quality. I do all my own wrenching, I know how to replace the top end, how to split the case and replace a crank, and how to tune a carb.

I have also bought four new Taiwanese/Japanese scooters as well as two new Japanese motorcycles and one new Taiwanese motorcycle. Some of these came straight from the dealer and they missed a few things. But they all ran correctly, nothing had to be replaced, and they all had a long and reliable service life. And don't forget, when it's time to sell, they hold their value much better than any Chinese brand.

Don't believe me if you don't want to, but there is a big difference and it's worth the extra money. As I have mentioned before, buy a "budget" Taiwanese model and you and you can be thrifty and still have superior quality.

I have seen a lot of people that buy Chinese and rave about the value without ever having purchased a Taiwanese/Japanese machine.

I have seen some people that buy Taiwanese/Japanese/Italian and put down Chinese as junk without ever trying one.

It would be very rare to find someone that has owned both and still prefers Chinese... = ditto ;D

You can get a brand new Tomos Nitro 150 (made by SYM) for $1800 shipped to your door with real warranty support.

You put the mirrors on, charge the battery, and then ride the crap out of it. It starts up easily and runs smoothly literally right out of the box. You don't have to replace any parts, it has real motor oil and the valves don't need adjustment until after a reasonable break-in period. It does over 60 mph (actual, not Chinometer) and gets mpg in stock form. You don't have to mess with the variator weights, it's already tuned properly.

And yes, it uses common GY6 parts and you can tinker with it if you want to...

Wow! You really should get your facts straight before you tell someone how "little they know".

First of all, my comparison was about a Toyota vs a Cavalier as opposed to the original Cavalier to Cadillac. The Prism was originally a GEO model first, and was indeed a Corolla copy.

The Cavalier is a GM all the way from the beginning. It started with a OHV 1.8 - 2.0 engine, but the ones we are probably talking about have the GM Ecotec 2.2 or 2.4 liter. No Toyota engine period! You sir are mistaken!

The Pontiac Vibe is a derivative of a Corolla with the same power train and similar suspension components.

For a couple of years in Japan Toyota sold the Cavalier for GM called the Toyota Cavalier.
This had something to do with a trade agreement between the countries. It had the standard GM Ecotec engine (not Toyota), and was never sold in the US.

If you live in a warm climate you could block off the enricher circuit. If you get a relatively cold morning you will still be able to fire it up, it will just take a couple of minutes to hold a good idle and accelerate smoothly.