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Post by gitsum on Jul 19, 2013 17:53:55 GMT -5
The first part of my post complimented the OP's new scooter and the very thorough PDI link, before I added my 2 cents worth. I gotta mention one thing though... You are comparing a Chinese clone to a expensive Japanese original like that is the only option. Not true! This very incorrect attitude permeates this forum. There are several Taiwanese options that cost the same or less as the Rocketa MC-54B. That is what my crusade is about. To educate a very twisted and one-sided comprehension of value on this forum. I guess if I get banned, then so be it. I'm not trying to bash all Chinese scooters as pieces of crap, just pointing out some alternatives which are a better value. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most people buy Chinese to save money and be thrifty? Yeah, I understand about "hijacking" a thread. But this forum is so biased that starting a thread on "better alternatives" to Chinese scooters isn't going to get much attention, if any. And I still don't understand the value of buying something new and having to replace and double check all parts. When did people start accepting this? Is this going to be the future of automobiles too? I don't think people would ever tolerate that, why do they with a Chinese scooter? If people quit buying them until they got better, they probably would... Sorry to be upsetting everyone
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Post by gitsum on Jul 19, 2013 11:25:16 GMT -5
The MC-54 is a nice looking scooter.
That link for the PDI was an excellent written tutorial. It would be wise for any Chinese scooter owner to follow that procedure.
That being said, I must be one of the few people here that think there is just something fundamentally wrong with having do that much work on something that is purchased new...
If all of this extra work and checking is a quest for more reliability, why not spend a little extra money to get it? A Chinese style PDI can only go so far in preventing future problems on a machine that is questionable to begin with.
And yes, for the few people that have had very good luck with their Chinese scooters, we can find a dozen that didn't. That's terrible odds, is that really a way to save money?
People should expect at least 30,000 to 50,000 miles of service out of their scooters with only basic maintenance and normal replacement parts for wear item like tires, belts, roller weights, and maybe a clutch or variator face. You should expect that only one out of a dozen might have an actual mechanical failure, and those kind of odds will save you money!
My crusade continues ;D
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Post by gitsum on Jul 19, 2013 10:54:29 GMT -5
Nice scooter!
Change the oil before 100 miles, then 500 and then every 1000 - 1500 miles. Change the gear oil every second or third oil change.
Check the valves at 500 miles, then every 2500 miles.
That Kymco Super 8 should last a very long time with virtually zero repairs. Nothing to worry about but riding it and having a fantastic time!
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Post by gitsum on Jul 18, 2013 10:41:36 GMT -5
I've explored Truth or Consequences and Elephant Butte several times on both a Honda Elite 110 and a SYM HD200. What kind of scooter are you riding?
You are only a short distance from NM Highway 152 which takes you to Silver City through the Black Range. It's got to be one of the best motorcycle/scooter roads in America, though it's not well known. It's so curvy a lot of big cruiser motorcycles won't even attempt it, perfect for a scooter or small motorcycle.
My son and I blew through there on a Suzuki TU250X and the SYM HD200 on a 300 mile day, one of our most memorable rides.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 17, 2013 17:14:32 GMT -5
I modified the airbox fasteners just for that reason on my Tomos Nitro 150 (made by SYM).
There were two brackets and a total of three bolts that had to be removed to get clearance to adjust the rear shock on that side.
I fabricated a a single bracket and then put a bolt from the rear with a wing nut facing the outside. Now I can quickly loosen the wing nut and slide the bolt out of the hole in the airbox to pivot the airbox up and out if a shock adjustment is needed.
The airbox is still supported at two points and still in the stock position.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 16, 2013 22:38:51 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about the soft seize, let us know if you figure out exactly what happened.
What modifications did you have on it?
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Post by gitsum on Jul 16, 2013 22:03:50 GMT -5
What a rip off! I only paid $900 for my awesome Chinese scooter and it is a way better deal than any name brand and the quality and is just as good. It only took me a month to get it almost running right. That's after I changed a lot of the components out on the original PDI first Parts are really inexpensive! It has been really easy to replace the plastic panels that broke when I took it apart. Most of the fasteners that failed and bolts that stripped out were able to be picked up locally at the hardware store real cheap. I've got almost 1500 miles out of it now and am really pleased. I was able to go on a 100 mile ride without getting stranded (that's not counting the eight times I was late for work). It starts right up most of the time, and after putting 50+ hours of work into it, I only have to fix it a couple of times a week now. Maintenance is easy, I've already had to adjust the valves three times and I've got it down to less than 20 minutes. I'm laughing at you Honda and Kymco guys that paid too much
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Post by gitsum on Jul 13, 2013 9:48:52 GMT -5
If you modded/changed the air box and/or exhaust without switching to a larger main jet, you are going to be running lean.
On my stock Tomos Nitro 150 (made by SYM) the 80% to 100% throttle felt a little "flat". Overall the scooter ran very well, but by changing the main jet from 108 to 110, I got a little extra oomph on the top end.
The Tomos Nitro 150 has an air-cooled GY6b engine that cranks out about 10.5 hp, but above 50 mph you have to be patient when accelerating. That being said, when I whack the throttle all they way open at higher speeds you can feel a small increase in speed up to 60 mph, and then it runs out of steam. It can hit an actual 65 mph if you tuck in like a dork and give it a few miles.
I only ride that fast when tuning the scooter, normally I just need it to cruise 50 - 55 mph two-up with a little throttle left, which it does quite well.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 8, 2013 23:24:41 GMT -5
My wife and I ride two-up all of the time. We've been known to travel up to 350 miles in one day. The Tomos Nitro only had a narrow shelf on each side of the seat for the passenger's feet forcing one to angle your legs back in towards the scooter at an uncomfortable angle. The frame underneath the plastics had two hollow joints (on each side) facing outward at the perfect angle. It must have been to mount footpegs on the frame for a different model. I carefully cut two holes in the plastic and hammered a wooden dowel into the frame joint on each side and then covered them with black rubber hosing. It was meant to be a temporary solution until I found some folding pegs that were the correct length and diameter. My wife found the home made pegs so comfortable that she didn't want to change anything. Here's a pic of the scooter, sorry I don't have a close up of the pegs. The front floor boards are very roomy and have a cut out to place my feet very far forward, no pegs needed for the rider.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 8, 2013 17:17:04 GMT -5
prodigit, other than you, we have already agreed and confirmed that popping on deceleration is not normal.
If you want to accept this and try to give a meaningful answer, that would be helpful.
Otherwise please start your own thread about your machine that has completely screwed up tuning, it has absolutely no bearing on the OP's thread.
You won't listen of course, but if your idle is inconsistent and higher when the bike is hot, your pilot circuit is probably too lean or needs something. And using your choke isn't going to fix it properly. The choke is used specifically to add extra fuel to make it easier to start a cold engine. In warm weather it shouldn't even be necessary to use it, just 10 or 15 seconds of running should smooth out the idle.
Sorry about the interruption domindart ;D
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Post by gitsum on Jul 8, 2013 11:53:30 GMT -5
You're right of course scootnwinn.
I guess my expectations of sharing pertinent and correct information about my favorite hobby is unreasonable.
I'm going to try and ignore all that bullsh!t he spouts. But it sure stinks real bad...
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Post by gitsum on Jul 8, 2013 11:22:39 GMT -5
gitsum: You have issues man! Seriously! Over here in FL the top speed on just about ANY major road is 60MPH. Not that many people keep themselves to those max speed regulations, as they most of the time are going 75-80MPH on them, but legally, the highways are 50-55MPH top speed, with 40MPH minimum, and interstates are 60MPH with 50MPH minimum. OK, I wasn't going to say anything else, but you are right. I do have issues... I have issues because I just can't stop myself from reading your pathetic drivel, even though it makes me want to puke. About the speed limit drivel. You didn't specify what state, it's not in your signature, and Florida is not the only place that people ride in this forum. I live out west and the interstate speed limit is almost always 75, sometimes 80 mph. Two-lane highways are anywhere from 55 - 65 mph. You can't make generalized statements like they are some kind of universal law. Be more specific and precise, give more information pertaining to the circumstances. If I were to say something like "all people like to drink chocolate milk", I would sound like an uninformed @sswipe. Just because I like to drink chocolate milk, it doesn't make it some kind of universal/generic preference or fact. When you are spouting off universal statements about gearing, certain rpm's, fuel consumption, top speeds, horsepower, engine efficiency, ect, you cannot make specific statements that are supposed to apply to everything. There are too many variables and exceptions, they don't always follow your universal statements and trying to say so in a factual manner makes you sound like an idiotic wannabe mechanic that doesn't know Jack. Just like that piece of junk 127cc motorcycle you bought. Not only is it the biggest waste of $1050 ever, you are incredibly inept at trying to get it to run correctly. You still have no freakin' clue how to get the carb tuned, but by god you sure as heck don't hesitate to give out advice here like you're some kind of a mechanical guru. I think my favorite is how you constantly give out advice on motorcycles and scooters you've never even ridden, much less owned, acting like you're an expert. Oh yeah, and when you are doing research online to come up with your expert opinions, how do you know you aren't reading something that an idiot like you posted, spouting off inconsistent and incorrect drivel? It's pretty obvious you don't I'll give you credit for being an incredible optimist though. 'Cuz if I lived in your world of piece of crap machines that ran like , I sure wouldn't be able to pretend like I knew what I was doing ;D
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Post by gitsum on Jul 8, 2013 10:50:24 GMT -5
Kymco makes great Taiwanese manufactured scooters.
The Like 200i is assembled at their mainland China plant, but it is still a quality scooter.
There is a Kymco forum if you need more specific information.
Those are decent deals, I would test ride each one and see which one you like better.
Don't for get to check out Lance scooters (made by SYM) and the Kymco Agility, they are in the same price range brand new.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 7, 2013 23:12:28 GMT -5
But very few times does one really need top speed out of a bike. Anything above a 150cc, generally has sufficient speed to surpass the speed limits on level ground, since the interstate is about the fastest road in the country, where top speed is capped at 60MPH
What country are you from? No, I mean what planet?
Are you trying to say the interstate speed limit is capped at 60 mph?
Somehow I think you meant something else, just not sure what. . I won't say anything else about your twisted logic and incorrect facts. If someone wants to believe your idiotic drivel, that's their problem.
Sorry for busting your chops, I apologize and stand down.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 7, 2013 22:50:55 GMT -5
[replyingto=larrball]larrball[/replyingto]That would be nice. My carb had epoxy on the fuel mixture screw and on all of the screws on the float bowl and diagram cap. I had to remove the entire carb to break everything free. Took a while and a lot of profanity to get it done
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