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Post by gitsum on Jul 7, 2013 11:18:20 GMT -5
have you replaced your vac hoses ? Are they factory hoses ? He's had the scooter for a while, it wouldn't be a bad idea. But the Tomos Nitro 150 is made by SYM, the hoses were quality rubber from the factory. Somehow they got away with almost no smog equipment, only a PAIR valve system that wasn't even routed into the airbox or intake. Only one vacuum hose from the intake manifold to the fuel pump, simple just like it should be. The only downside is that everything on the carb is blocked off. You have to remove it to break all of the seals, then have you have access to the fuel mixture screw, float bowl and diaphragm.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 7, 2013 11:08:23 GMT -5
probably running a bit on the lean side, nothing to worry about. In deceleration it is normal. It could also be because of a gasket leak, however if that be the case the bike would sound really sharp. No it isn't normal. It didn't backfire for 3000 miles. First thing you need is a valve adjustment. you are way overdue and if the exhaust valve gets down to zero clearance, you're gonna burn it. Put a new air filter in it, might as well throw in a new spark plug. Check your exhaust system for a leak. Check the crappy PAIR valve system. Or you could just rip it out and fabricate a block off plate for the exhaust port (like I did). You've only got one vacuum line from the intake manifold to the fuel pump (it should be that simple on all scooters with a carb), check it. Check your fuel pump by removing the fuel line from the carb and hitting the starter. Gas should squirt out in a healthy stream. Your carb my need adjusting, maybe the fuel mixture screw. Unfortunately, all of the adjustments are sealed off to make the EPA happy. You would need to remove the carb and unseal the fuel mixture screw, float bowl screws, and the diaphragm cover screws. Like most scooters and motorcycles, it was tuned lean for the EPA. I had to richen the fuel mixture screw 1/4 - 1/2 a turn and change the main jet from a #108 to a #110. It ran fine stock, but it ran smoother, cooler and stronger after tuning the carb and fuel consumption stayed the same at mpg. Check the intake hose on the carb all the way to the air box for any leaks. Check the intake manifold and make sure it seals properly on both sides with no cracks or splits. I know you don't like to wrench on your scooter, but your only other choice would be to pay someone too much money to take way too long and do a half @ss job at best. There are lots of "how to" videos to learn from, and several knowledgeable people here that can answer any question you have if you get "stuck". Most of this stuff is very easy and basic, and after doing it once or twice you will wonder why you didn't learn before. Just be careful on who's advice you follow. There are a lot of wanna be mechanics here that don't know what they are talking about...
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 23:01:31 GMT -5
Fantastic scooter! (made by SYM)
It will last you very long time and give you more than your money's worth.
That being said, don't be disappointed with it, after all it is only a 125cc air cooled machine. All scooters including bigger ones, have less suspension travel than a regular motorcycle. It won't really work on the interstate or a heavily traveled 65 mph highway.
That being said, it can do a lot of things better than a motorcycle. It's terrific for short errands and if you get a vinyl bag for the hook and topcase you can really get some groceries. You can really squeeze into places and around stuff, you will find some neat shortcuts a motorcycle wouldn't dare try. You can literally use extra coins you have laying around to keep gas in it!
A small scooter is fun in a way that always puts a huge grin on your face, especially when you buy one that only requires basic maintenance. Change your own oil, valve jobs are very easy to do. Changing brake pads are simple and if you can switch out your belt and roller weights, you will never have to pay anyone a cent to work on it.
Enjoy!
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 22:27:54 GMT -5
They don't sell those type of pulleys. They use custom mounts, so they're expensive. most of them are real chrome pulleys. so they are expensive. you also need to find 2 pulleys, not one, to make sure the belt fits (increase the front my 3 ribs, and decrease the back by 1) , 5 seconds of google pulled up one for a Harley. www.denniskirk.com/80649731.sku?utm_source=shopping&utm_medium=cseYou could probably just adjust the rear axle on the swing arm to make the stock belt fit. You could get a bracket to extend the swing arm, or you could find a shorter belt with the same tooth spacing. I know these parts aren't growing on trees, but if need be you could easily fabricate something that will work. And while you won't be able to adjust the drive belt like a chain or have as many sizes available, you still don't have to replace the front pulley, just make sure it matches the new rear. There is nothing magical about the rear drive pulley. It is bolted on to the rear rim much like a disc brake rotor. Just like a custom disc brake rotor, a drive pulley could be fabricated or altered. It's not rocket science. If that sounds too complicated, then you could just switch to a chain drive like scootnwinn suggested.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 13:19:15 GMT -5
I like the belt drive, but in order to change gear ratio on a belt drive, it's gonna cost about $1,5-$2k (yeah, you heard that right, about 1/3rd the price of the bike, to get 2 other belt discs installed) I'm not going to bother to research this, but I can't possibly see why it would cost so much. They sell aftermarket belt pulleys for less than $50. Get a smaller rear and you only need one, no clearance issues. Buy the appropriate size drive belt and your done. If need be you could get your local speed/machine shop to fabricate one. Worst case scenario would be a couple of hundred bucks at most.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 13:07:23 GMT -5
107 to 115 is a big jump. I didn't even know there was a 107.
Anyhow if you need more fuel, bumping up to a 110 would be better to try first.
That being said, if you have a stock 49cc two-stroke, there's no way it came with a 107, it would barely (if at all) run when you twisted the throttle open...
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 11:42:31 GMT -5
The TU is known to be geared too high. A sprocket change could give you better top end. Also, it's a single cylinder. From the specs, it's more fuel efficient, but has less torque than the dual cylinder Honda. It's only to be expected... Just for reference, my 127cc sports bike rides between 55 and 65MPH depending on the wind, so your 250cc, being double the cc's, can definitely go faster than 60MPH! It's common knowledge, with every bike, that you run at top revs, WOT, that MPG goes down, not up. Like said, do a sprocket change, say from 40T to 36T, and you should have 10% better MPG, and most likely between 5% and 10% higher top speed. OK, let's try to get this straightened out. First of all the Suzuki TU250x is geared a bit too low, not high. Lower gearing requires higher rpm's to maintain the same speed. A single cylinder engine that is the same displacement as a twin has more torque, because it has a larger cylinder/piston. One large piston has more torque than two small pistons. That's why dirt bikes are all thumpers. Where did Honda get into this? The Virago/V-Star 250 is a Yamaha. There are some bikes that are geared quite tall, so running WOT does not produce maximum revs and does not cause a dramatic drop in MPG. Taller gearing does not always guarantee better gas mileage. If your bike is geared relatively low and doesn't have much torque, and you ride it mostly in stop and go city conditions, taller gearing will not help gas mileage. If your bike has plenty of power to push the taller gearing efficiently, then it will help fuel consumption, especially at higher speeds. If your bike can't spin the engine up to the horsepower peak in top gear, taller gearing will reduce your top speed. And whoever said the TU250x was struggling to maintain 60 mph, are you sure that wasn't the Suzuki GZ250?
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 11:15:07 GMT -5
If you mod your engine to produce more horsepower, it's gonna produce more heat, that's physics.
While the engine may be more efficient at making power, it will run hotter unless you can upgrade the cooling.
Most of the time a stock scooter/motorcycle engine is tuned almost too lean just to pass emissions. Lean conditions cause a hotter running engine, especially on a two-stroke.
Re-jetting the carb properly after some minor engine upgrades can improve/correct the fuel ratio so that the engine actually runs cooler than the stock configuration. That being said, if you correct the stock lean conditions without engine mods, it will run even cooler.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 10:55:19 GMT -5
I've owned three 49cc scooters which were lightly modified, never put a BBK on them.
2007 Yamaha C3, snorkel enlarged and Dr. Pulley sliders - 44 mph
2007 SYM DD50 two-stroke, new exhaust, modded airbox, re-jetted - 47 mph
2012 CPI Oliver City 50 two-stroke, removed restrictions, modded airbox, re-jetted - 46 mph
Speeds verified on level ground. I thought about a BBK, but quite frankly after a little tuning and tweaking all three were plenty fast for city driving and mixing with traffic.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 0:48:03 GMT -5
The Wolf was quick to 45 mph, but after that the Suzuki had more power. TU250x cruised nicely at 65 - 70 mph, the Wolf liked 55 mph and topped out about 70 mph. Wind and hills affected the Wolf more.
The Wolf handled better and was much lighter, the Suzuki was much more comfortable. The Wolf was better off road, the Suzuki carried a passenger better.
They were both fun and capable, just different. I liked them both, hard to choose which one was better. But I think the extra power and size of the Suzuki along with fuel injection made it more versatile overall.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 6, 2013 0:22:31 GMT -5
Here's a picture of our TU250x and SYM Wolf. Both of these motorcycle ran perfectly and never let us down. Regular oil changes and an occasional valve job was all they ever needed. We spent our time riding them wherever and whenever we wanted to, not fixing them or trying to tweak them to get them to run better.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 23:51:44 GMT -5
Yes, my red 2009 TU250x could hit mph. I sold it to gentleman that flew into Tucson and rode it home to California among other places. He had to get on the interstate at one point and rode it WOT through the desert for 200 miles straight. It ran bulletproof and begged for more. The Suzuki made the entire 1200 mile trip flawlessly, it had 5700 miles on the clock when he started. By the way, I sold it to him for $1995 and he bought it sight unseen. It was in brand new condition, almost perfect, and he wasn't disappointed. Somehow, I don't think $1050 delivered for the Roketa 127cc sounds like a bargain
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 15:51:08 GMT -5
Ok then, so which Taiwanese scoots take cheap parts? The Lance Cali Classic 125, Lance PCH 125 and SYM Fiddle 125 all use a GY6 with a ceramic coated cylinders. There is at least a half a dozen different websites that sell cylinder/piston kits, ceramic, regular, Taiwanese or Chinese, or BBK if that's what you want. Genuine Buddy 125/150, and Kymco Agility 125 have the same engine parts availability. The Tomos Nitro 150 uses a GY6b engine that has a different cylinder, but I was still able to find both a Taiwanese and Chinese cylinder/piston kit for it, and Tomos has the replacement parts available and for sale. All of the above mentioned scooters can use generic CDI's, ignition coils, variators, clutches, gear sets, stators, shocks, brake pads, carbs and other various components. There are more Taiwanese models that use a more or less standard GY6 and would have the same parts availability, but I only specifically researched the models I was considering purchasing. I also had a 2007 SYM DD50 two-stroke that I bought for $500 with 1200 miles is somewhat abused but running condition. I was able to find a generic/universal part for everything I want to replace or upgrade.
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 15:36:47 GMT -5
Spandi we have been here before production wise (sheer number produced yearly) Indian and Taiwanese scoots rule the world Yes, that is correct! It seems China scooters rule this forum!
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Post by gitsum on Jul 5, 2013 13:13:03 GMT -5
Noooooooo!!!!!!! Help me!!!!! I'm losing my mind
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