I'm looking to save up for something 250cc. Something that will take me around town but can also do long trips across the state.
I've seen RV250's pop up on Craigslist for around $2000 and from what I've read, they seem like they would be quality bikes, but a friend of mine said he used to own one and couldn't find a replacement oil filter anywhere and to stay away from chinese bikes... Could he be thinking of a different scooter? SYM is a Taiwanese company, same as Kymco, right? Are parts hard to find for SYM scoots?
On the other hand, I've also seen old 80's Honda Elite 250's pop up for $1000 or less. They don't really catch my eye in photos. Kind of a funky mess of awkward angles (like those Scion refridgerator boxes that mascarade as cars) but seeing one in person, it isn't bad... I feel a similar way about the Yamaha Zuma 150. In photos it looks alright, but in person it is a tank of a scooter. Big old chunky monkey. Ride that chunky monkey! It looks like a load of fun... But it doesn't go fast enough for freeway use.
But anyways, should I go for the SYM or could I save a few bucks and get something like the Elite250 and get along just as well?
Oh, and this is an image for Kat. (not exactly a banana suit, but it had to do)
thanks for all the quick responses. I called them back and found out they'll insure it with just liability which is fine because if it's totaled I only paid $250 for the scooter so not a huge loss, just making sure who ever is on it has coverage really. Taking care of myself or my wife in an accident is what I want, could care less about them taking care of the scooter.
Please be aware that liability will not take care of medical payments in the event of an accident.
In the early '60's the Japanese started selling in 1970 - 1980 the number of motorcycles and accidents shot up. In the 1980 MSF got into the act for motorcycle training and helmets laws caused registrations drop, and the accidents went down in 1990 and 2000. Accidents are up in 2004, because the number of motorcycles are rising.
Starting in the 1980's the motorcycle manufacturers and magazines have been pushing sport bikes, speed, full face helmet, motorcycle boots, motorcycle pants, jackets, gloves, armor, etc.. And all that protection gear is associated with three times the rate of deaths compared with the late '60's when no gear existed and helmets were not required.
Why is the death rate so high when the ATGATT is suppose to protect lives.
Now that's funny, no relevant info.
Well I could not tell you a thing based on those numbers. Show me where the break down is of what each rider was wearing when they died?
Oh that's right it's not there ,what you have done is take accident figures then HYPOTHESIZE as to why got in said accident.
I'm done you got nothing to support your claim. Nothing
I am not one who has had "accidents." Again I quote:
You can't reach old age by another man's road. My habits protect my life but they would assassinate you. -- Mark Twain, 70th birthday speech, 1905
If you don't mind, I'll continue to ride the way I ride, that has been protecting me for decades.
Somehow im still alive here so ill respond. You have trouble comprehending what you read. I never told you how to ride or what to wear. Read my post again. What I said was only an idiot would make the unfounded statements you made. I don't care if you ride blindfolded.
What you thought you read I what I wrote are two completely different things.
That fact that you have survived for decades only goes to show that "god looks after drunks and fools." Otto Von Bismarks quote.
I agree with you to a degree, but your logic is, why use any safety equipment, because you believe you won't make a mistake... If you are confident that you won't have an accident due to you own ability... The rider that rides without ATGATT has obviously not seen the results of serious accidents.
That is NOT my logic. I do NOT believe I never make mistakes. I do believe I am human, and one of the things humans do is feel "safe" when they have "safety equipment." Unless you are un-human you cannot stop feeling safer when you have protection.
"Gear" is for having more fun going faster. Gear is good on the track. On the streets, "gear" is associated with more "accidents" and more injuries and more deaths. I do NOT want to hope to survive accident -- I want to avoid them. I do not want "gear" so to be "safe" -- I want to be paranoid scared of accidents.
I started on pedal bicycles in 1949. By 1955 I was riding on the streets. I learned WHY to not fall. In 1964 I got my first motorcycle. I do not wear "gear" on the streets. I have never had an accident on the streets. I did ride dirt, and wore denim and helmet and gloves -- for fun. I dropped the bike at least once a week, protected, no problem, falling is part of the fun. I saw a mine with bats, went back with photograph equipment. With the equipment I was not allowed to drop it, to not have fun. I had to ride safely. I know myself. I know that protection allows you to have more fun. But I do not ride the streets for fun.
I DO see the results of serious accidents:
ATGATT -- he died.
I KNOW I have never had a crash on the streets. I know the statistics. I know that those pushing ATGATT have crashes, injuries, deaths.
I am afraid of ATGATT. I do not want to be injured or dead.
I've logged on just to get banned so here we go.
You are an idiot, period. To suggest, with a photo no less ,that the cause of accidents and deaths are ATGATT tells me you have taken a few too many blows to the head. Your day may come, or it may not but if you do dodge the bullet it's because you were just lucky not skilled.
Your thought process is beyond distorted. What an .
I especially like the dual-disks and the shaded instruments, so you can see them in bright sunlight.
Beautiful area too... How'd ya' like to have roads empty of traffic like that here? Nice riding conditions, but a little sad too. Not a lot of vehicles around.
Leo in Texas
That looks like a nice scoot. The argument isn't CAN china build quality products it's do they chose to.
On another note . It's great to look at the new scooters and see the advancement but we should be careful not to look at china as some sort of emerging utopia. They have deep rooted issues , some leading to those empty roads and cities. The government will fix that be moving people into them. Also troubling. Google fake stores in china....
I spent time on mainland china and the people are wonderful, the leaders not so much. This is a long video but a good story.
See there were even a couple of scoots in there! Lol
I'm sorry to sidetrack but I think sometimes we forget that although china is an economic world power what we see is not always they way it is. I think its important to keep an open but level head on these things.
One of the scoots really will have to go. A third one was not in my plan or really in the budget but the price was truly right. I think what will happen is usage will determine what stays and what goes. The RV 200 would have been perfect for me solo, but with the amount of two up that I am suddenly doing I'm afraid it'll beat the out of it.
That said the RV has more "utility vehicle" in it without a top box then the DT300 does. With its flat floorboards and huge understates storage it was perfect for my grocery shopping.
I really want to avoid a top box on the Downtown.
That leaves the Cali-Classic. Truth be told with the flat floorboards the top box and the role bag I can use that for around town shopping etc. it really fits a different niche then the other two scooters, that's why I am leaning to keeping this one and selling the RV.
The Cali is also very pleasing to my eye and a great ride.
The RV 200 will also bring more money in resale. That will help justify buying the Kymco. Sure it will work itself out over the next few months, I know if I tried to keep all three there would be one that just wouldn't get used. Nonuse in my opinion is as bad as abuse!
I brought the SYM RV200 in for some routine maintenance and while I was sitting around chatting with the good people at the dealership they just happened to mention that they bought leftover stock from another dealer.
All 2013 leftovers. like my mothers meatloaf I can't resist leftovers. I bought the RV as a leftover and settled for what I could find. Matte Rat Black. Not my fave. Others love it me not so much.
Anyway they know I've looked at the Downtown 300I many times over the last couple of years and had the chance to put a few hundred miles on one last year.
We go back into the shop and sitting there is a crate-fresh 2013 DT 300 in silver! They know I love silver.
Damn them! They told me they wanted it gone yesterday and made an offer I couldn't refuse. I've bought many, many scoots from them and they knew I'd bite at the right price.
I bitched a little about it not being a step-thru but they countered with the "it fits you well" and it does. I'm 5'7" with a 29" inseam and this bike does fit me well. It's also lite for a 300 and that's big with my weak legs. That said most would find this scooter cramped, its a small cockpit so to speak.
I kept telling myself I didn't need another scooter as I wrote the check.
So now one of my scooters is endangered. The Cali-Classic 125 or the RV200. That's going to be a hard choice. The Cali is a cool around town bike and the RV is, well it's an "urban assault scoot". Its bad assed period ! Fast and comfortable. Low with a ton of floor. Only problem is I've been doing more freeway two-up and in the long term I'm afraid I'd kill it. I just would have a hard time parting with that one.