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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Jun 30, 2013 17:25:34 GMT -5
I've been thinking about giving her a few more MPH to see about running my 150 a little farther than just in my hometown. Based on what I have below in my sig, what should I do next as far as upgrades? Besides the obvious gear-change?
- Cam? (which?) - BBK (don't really wanna machine my case however) - stroker cam + spacer/gasket? - larger carb? - large valve head?
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Post by justin010304 on Jun 30, 2013 18:07:39 GMT -5
If your willing to split the cases for a stroker crank why wouldn't you bore the cases? I vote stroker crank and bore the cases. Later you can add any big bore kit you choose if the added TQ isn't enough.
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Post by scootnwinn on Jun 30, 2013 18:48:32 GMT -5
Speed is attained through more than power. Your top speed is based on your power and weight. You can increase power or decrease weight to go faster. Additionally how much wind resistance or drag you and the scooter produce is also a factor. If you want more speed add a windshield or decrease the weight of the scooter it can often be cheaper than engine mods...
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Post by justin010304 on Jun 30, 2013 19:05:34 GMT -5
I found a windshield slowed me down. Adding more power allows the option for gears later if you still aren't happy with what you have.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 30, 2013 19:59:08 GMT -5
You need aerodynamics, some windshields are not aerodynamic, and thus slow you down.
Best thing you can do is just keeping it simple. Put a BBK on it, put a performance exhaust (one with large exhaust tip), rejet the carburetor, change the gearing, and adjust the rollers. Additionally you will want to play around with adjustable CDI's. That's it. A good $300-$500 to gain perhaps 5MPH tops.
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 30, 2013 20:08:54 GMT -5
You do not need all that to gain 5mph, all you need is a gear change to get you 5mph.
The bbk will get you more power to get to speed quicker that is all. Alleyoopl
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Jun 30, 2013 20:10:55 GMT -5
I GPS'd my sustained speed today(very windy), and I managed to get to 53mph, even though the speedo said 68mph (pffft!!). And yes, I also have a full indshield too, so I'm certain that was an issue as well. I DO see the logic in getting the case machined if I plan on splitting the case for the crank. As for the weight reduction, I don't plan on removing any plastics/parts to shed a few oz. And I'm in no need of a diet, so we're good there
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Post by doublert on Jun 30, 2013 20:23:49 GMT -5
[replyingto=xxwoodmanxx]xxwoodmanxx[/replyingto]Me and my brother found out recently that riding crouched over (like we do on crotch-rockets) will help with the wind/drag resistance, and he swears gas mileage is better too! I ride crouched over where my helmet is near the speedo/gauges, and get up to 50 pretty dang quick! Then when I come to stops, I sit up and its like a parachute, helps slow down. Plus all that other stuff the other guys said too
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Post by skuttadawg on Jun 30, 2013 21:04:50 GMT -5
You can port the head or opt for a 4 valve head and a high compression piston . I run 12g sliders in my 150 so maybe you can try a gram or two heavier slider . Allley is right a BBK makes more power but may yield the same speed . I went from a 63cc to a 82cc or 50mm BBK on my old scoot it took off faster and had more power uphill but had the same top end . Remove the clutch to get to the cover plate where the gears are . Count the teeth you have and you may opt for a taller final drive gear . They slide out but you need to go to a machine shop to get the new gears pressed together . With gear changes you most likely may need to try a gram lighter if takeoff and uphill is less . Getting the tires balanced really smooths out the ride . My Echarm has Ducatti EFI and wow the diff from a carb is amazing with instant response and starting , better MPG and more power . Check out www.ecotrons.com MBE also sells EFI kits plus crate engine like a LC Gy6 , a 180cc and a jugged and stroked Gy6 to a 236cc www.mbe-motorsports.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/20?osCsid=mrdg4avagrlnvn45ietov2omi7
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Jun 30, 2013 22:05:54 GMT -5
I'm running a stock carb with a 115 main jet now......think it would be a good starter to upgrade to a 30mm carb and intake?
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 30, 2013 22:10:55 GMT -5
No 30mm is to big, also the intake will not match the head intake port the 30mm intake will be to big and you will have restricted flow into the intake.
I am running a bored out 157QMJ to 182ccs from 149.6 with a stroker crank and a 24mm carb with a 122.5 main jet and 38 pilot jet. A 125 main jet was to much fuel. Alleyoop
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 30, 2013 22:24:06 GMT -5
Most on here will tell you a 30 mm carb is to big lol !! However i have a 32 mm pumper carb and it allows me to use a bigger jet because its pulling much more air. Of course u want to up the exhaust air filter and the manifold to allow the airflow to stay even through out the engine. Also you will need to either port the head or get a new one. No one else on here has tried the bigger carb. Especially the way i have it set up with a bigger uni filter. My list says i have a k&n but its a uni, i cant chànge it because i have to type on my password and it keeps sayin its wrong lol. Anyway i wouldnt up the carb to a 30mm unless u do the rest.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Jun 30, 2013 22:27:08 GMT -5
Ok. Just assuming that I can adjust the fuel however I need it, but I'm limited as to how much air I'm putting into my 24mm carb, minus the UNI filter. Now that you mention it, when I upped to a 125 mj, it would bogg out my motor on deceleration, and stall. the 120 main jet was just a bit too big as well.
Porting the stock head intake exhaust, as well as the combustion chambers? How about advancing the timing by one chain link on the timing chain? I have a Chinese racing CDI (blue), but I'm not too terribly certain as to how well it adjusts/advances the timing.
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 30, 2013 22:30:02 GMT -5
Im running a 125 main jet and its perfect just slightly rich. Like i said im able to do this because im pulling much more air. A 24 mm carb will not pull enough air to run a 125 jet on most of these settup. I have less restriction with the 32 mm.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Jun 30, 2013 23:03:35 GMT -5
Off the top of your head, do you know what your intake and exhaust port diameters are vs. the stock head?? I'm assuming your larger free-flowing head is warranting the need for your larger carb, so I'd like to get a feel for what I would need to have done to my head, or if it's just cheaper to buy a BBK kit, with head and piston/jug
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