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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 18, 2016 10:14:13 GMT -5
Closet can come is a tecnigas Silent pro race exhaust stage 1 I only have access to polini upgrade parts as sip scooter shop wont sell malossi parts to usa.
I highly doubt I want to put on race exhaust cause I'd been in jail for a cop fin with my classic,
Unless it came in a classic look on the pipes.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 16, 2016 20:21:17 GMT -5
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 16, 2016 14:48:59 GMT -5
Air screw sits further out the carb the other screw should not be touched. It's flush with the engine.
In = less air rich out leaner = more 1/8 turn at a time never should exceed 2.5 turns out if it's more then that adjust your throttle cable needle clip which should be half of your needle clip if it has 4 slits you should be optimal between 2 and 3 position.
If she is a 5 caliper 3rd and 4th position.
Needle clip: moving the c clip down the needle richens mixture moving it up leans the mixture at the throttle cable.
Carbs don't use two screws anymore they stick a screw that looks like a screw but is not a needle type.
If it does do anything it can possiably richen the fuel mixture a tiny bit in China carbs we learned not to touch it the fuel mixture screw controls as the air fuel mixture screw with the needle is all you need unless it runs rich on said selection where e clip and needle runs best under the throttle cable.
If richness is apparent "then you should be backing off your needle clip height(UP THE CLIP ON THE NEEDLE) to LEAN the operation then then adjust the fuel mixture no more then 2 full turns out from it's sitting position bottomed out.
After its set your tire will possiably be free spinning at this rate you want to turn your idle screw down stop turning soon as its rough idling then turn 1/8th up.
Ride her check them plugs no white ashy, no oily dark black you want coffee brown.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 16, 2016 14:30:20 GMT -5
Not to restrictive period at the end of the day oversized carbs a sorry excuse for scrappy jetting a good jet kit can make your carb pull as good as the new one personally I would use a Keihin 18mm. Typical Carb size up to 100cc is about 16mm- 19mm no bigger unless you have some sort of scoot in which you had no new top ends available and had to swap from a older product to create a bbk. In my application I have to either switch to a stock Yamaha RIVA top end from an cv 80 or look for a Honda aero 80 or 125. Upjet the main jet mainly if the piolet takes leave it a lone and do clip height if your on the 5th notch or 4th notch tdepending if it's a 4 or 5 flipper that's a sign you need to upjet after gnu I know for sure your going to need a new main though possiably like -100 depending on your elevation from sea level. I'd wait til you slap the new bbk first then order your carb so you will have a feed start point. Seems like your on a Bing bong scoot so you should have access to all types of clone parts.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 16, 2016 12:09:10 GMT -5
I put the old carb back on my scooter and changed to a manual shut off valve, scooter fired right up and runs like a beast. It has a slight slight lag and take off but nothing after that i feel like its still a little lean at take off not to sure what do you it still might be off a little bit so you might have to go back in and double check the "air mixture screw" to make sure its correct set but I do know that if you're running a manual petcock sometimes it can run a little bit overly rich GO BACK AGAIN AND RE DO THE A/F SCREW, IF YOUR TIRE SPINS BUT YOU GET A GOOD SNAP WITHOUT BOG/ LAG THEN ITS TIME TO MOVE ON TO THE FUEL MIXTURE SCREW. TURN IT OUT 1/8 SLOWLEY WHICH WILL RICHEN THE MIXTURE DONT PASS TWO TURNS OUT WHEN YOU THERE THE ENGINE CUT OUT TURN IT SLOWLEY THE OPPOSIT DIRECTION WHEN IT CUTS OUT AGAIN BETWEEN THE TWO POINTS SET IT IN THE MIDDLE AND THATS CORRECT KEEP PULLING YOUR PLUG CHECKING FOR TOO HOT OR TOO COLD. At this point your good But watch that plug!
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 16, 2016 11:51:40 GMT -5
"While I like Genuine scooters myself I'm more of a 250cc man and like the water cooled engines since I ride in the hot weather of the deep south." The biggest available Genuine is the Blur 220i. It will hit 70mph, but it will not keep up with a good water cooled 250. I can't wait to see the new Genuine 400cc motorcycle when it hits the showroom floors. My local dealer, ScooterSmith, owns a nice BSA twin, so I know he is eager to get a retro Genuine 400cc motorcycle into the building. Mmm that sounds cool one of these days ill upgrade to a new genuine buddy, the body is nice but that green is ugly as kat dookie. If you a chance purchase vintage history, how much would you pay I want 1500 before I even think about even concidering it.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 15, 2016 14:50:45 GMT -5
my plug gap varies from time to time from 0.24- 0.40 is this bad a bad thing or not?
i also noticed on smaller gap (factory 0.24- 0.28 it fouls alot quicker but does not pull at idle at a stop light meanwhile @.40 it idles higher and has a slight pull/engagement at the cvt. i litterally can sit on my scoot and lean my feet foward with my hands of the brakes but feel slight advancing of tug at the rearwheel.
the carb is 99.8% correct no stalling, hesitation, or bogging period but i also have a at idle splooge issue which is why i utilize .40 gap.
is there any peoplehere withvintagesor new scooters that where race built with (no oil control thin ring) who have ran gapless plugs like bosch platinum +4s?
multiple questions in this post but is more about preferance in two strokes like i tell everyone on here.
One other thing I failed to mention is that (gravity flow) pet docks are unmetered.
If no one answers this, just remember I'll figure it out my self not like any scooter shop will touch her, probably not even PGO THEM SELVES because genuine scooter dealers "sure as won't haha haha!"
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 15, 2016 11:45:16 GMT -5
Ok so update. Took the "new carb" i bought back off the scooter and cleaned out my old carb very very very very good, and put that back ont he scooter....this is why. The "new carb" everything was to big and what i mean is the main jet was bigger the a/f screw was bigger the needle in the diaphragm was bigger everything no wonder my scooter was running like . But old carb cleaned back on scooter runs fantastic only thing when i first first take off i have a slight i mean slight slight delay before it takes off it wants to bog just a bit bit low would that be to lean or rich at idle/take off, still working with a/f screw as it goes. Last where can i get this 4 stroke oil any part store? Autozone 4 stroke motorcycle oil your air fuel mixture is still wrong should not bog at all I have upgraded from dish top 80s piston to dome top 90s to 2k piston previous specs where 40mm x39.3 dish to 40mm x 39.2 dome top. My idle is pretty high but no bog 1.5 - 2k @ idle goes 40 on rev limiter 52 without rev limiter. When I get my endo gonna have the cops dymo it for me with old lic bate. I died for my scooter and brought her back from 18 years heated garage sleep. So old manuals dont exist because my scooter is older than current products being made by PGO through genuine. all them az people trip one dude called my scoot a polished turd, yeap well at least i know about mine and how to fix it off of good old knowledge i know about a lot of brands now. if you have any issues after correctly tuning the air fuel mixture on a (HOT) engine after your sure the idle is the highest with a snap back throttle return instantly pul your plug. my scoots built like a race model that dish top incresed compression and idle ratio. my timing has also been moved up so it actually runs cooler then expected the heat transfer to the pipes goes about half way tthe intake working on installing upgraded exhaust but for now im just going to sand nd repaint my exhust or possiably gut her open, repack her and add some new internal/mods like cutting out the factory tip and add a slightly bigger exit port on the muffler. shes bad , wifs getting my new tabs and plats she sees that i really have changed a lot and want nothing to do with trucks no more. anyway keep up the good work, 2 stroke is based of user prefection. i have to upgrade my boddy a little bit in the front she has a flat bird chest and needs a nose like the newer scoots.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 15, 2016 10:48:00 GMT -5
Doubt it, all the new PGO is kin from genuine, driving grandpa + "I am SURE my gals the last of her kind" the only left is identical to ligero 150 from that time period which has 14 miles on the speedo owned by james brewimgton in lacey, wa. Hes been out of bus for 21 years he wants 2g for it piercing mint white metal body no damage. If you want pics ombox me he is 60
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 14, 2016 16:47:01 GMT -5
Without exhaust is a 75% myth but it will burn up your exhaust port side from being unable to heat transfer to the exhaust pipes.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 14, 2016 16:35:53 GMT -5
Don't pass 1 1/8 starting point you might make it fire to high rpm and blow the block. Having sploog is better then having it ramming its eyeballs out. Take your time remember1/8 a turn at at time. Throttle should always return back to idle instantly after you snap the throttle. If it bogs (ITS WRONG) IF IT GOES UP AND IDLES DOWN SLOWLY ( BETT YOUR CRANK ITS STILL WRONG)
I WILL NOT AND REFUSE TO LET YOU F THAT SCOOT UP MY SCOOTER IS EVERYTHING COMING from a OK ford 90s guy I use to laugh at scooter drivers now I am in the opposit team let me show you my baby, which is your scooters cousin/grand daddy from across the way (Taiwan) last of her kind all them needle Jim's gave up on her I refused. If I had even the slightest slip up there is NO cylinder that can take its place on the cheap NOS parts cost a grip to even one close to fitment. The only other oil you can use temporarily is valvoline 2 cycle mult purpose oil, won't burn as good but prevents ashing and gum.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 14, 2016 16:23:12 GMT -5
I am using 10w-30 full synthetic oil. The temp was cold like the mid 30's morning time to mid 60's afternoon. Now we are getting into the 70- range temp wise. My plug is black the guy at the store said it looks like its been running a little rich? Im not totally sure. Seeing i tore the diaphragm on this new carb here i will be putting the old carb back on tomorrow lol and hoping like heck it works. As far as switching to Manuel shut off valve i have a line coming from tank into filter then into the petcock, out the the petcock to the carb. then my vac lines runs from the petcock to the intake elbow. If i do go Manuel instead of the vac petcock shouldnt i just take the petcock off and put the Manuel one there and just take and cap the vac line right there at the intake spot? (STOP STOP STOP F STOP!) DONT USE MOTOR OIL PERIOD UNLESS YOU WANT ASHY BLOWN ENGINE! WHO EVER TOLD YOU TO PUT THAT IN IS A COMPLETE IGNORANT A* and you should woop the dog piss out of them 2 stroke oil only for 2 strokes and 4 for 4 strokes the oil your using will gum the dog piss out the thing causing stuck rings and will cause your exhaust become blocked. Drain that out IMMEDIATELY! IF ITS 2 STROKE RUN PREMIX TO BLEED THE FRESH OIL IN THE SYSTEM WHEN SHE STOPS RUNNING AND YOU SEE THE AIRS OUT THE LINES if you have a vaccum pump skip what I said and pump the oil to the tip. Next, add the manual petcock inline after the petcocks drilled out. Sorry but I'm saving you grief don't F*** up the work. Motor oil is a last resort to get home fix. Never ad more then enough for your trip home to put proper oil in it.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 14, 2016 16:04:39 GMT -5
Never use 5th spot unless you have bbk also if it new don't touch the float til she runs.
I've been dealing with my vintage old gal
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 14, 2016 15:49:35 GMT -5
There is a pretty good Genuine Scooter Dealer in Austin Texas and they seem to be moving a number of them as an alternative to those who do not want to pay Vespa prices. My nephew really liked his Stella and rode it to commute to work for a good many years. Don't get it bent now vespa and paiggio both where ROLLED in PGO IM THE 80s that's why it is a bit cheaper PGO originates from PIAGGIO what no one also mention is that Yamaha and Honda played a roll in my PGO as well out of all them I got the grand pap took a lot of work to get her where I want it. What would you say the vintage 87 star 50 is worth if you mix the price of 83 Yamaha riva CV50K 50CC and the Honda Aero NB 50 the specs and jug mount at the case is as close as you can get to OEM PERIOD for vintage.
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Post by vintagepgogod123 on Mar 14, 2016 15:41:07 GMT -5
PGO has been around a long time, made as PGO in Canada and Genuine here in the US. Of course the Buddy is the trademark scooter of Genuine and is celebrating it's 10th anniversary: www.genuinescooters.com/I like the Buddy and it comes in different HP models: But at $2700 MRP it's not attractive to the want a cheap ride crowd. But the 2 year unlimited warranty is hard to beat. Then there is the old time favorite the Stella: 125cc and they also still make it with a 4-speed manual tranny if you like but at $3499 and $3699 they only attract the higher paying type of crowd. They also put a 170cc engine in a Buddy and the Hooligan: While I like Genuine scooters myself I'm more of a 250cc man and like the water cooled engines since I ride in the hot weather of the deep south. I don't think Genuine will ever get away from the PGO/Stella tradition and make a 250cc scooter. While they are pricey they are great scooters for sure. I know a lot of people around Chicago and on the west coast that ride Genuine but I've only seen one or two in my part of the country. JR Well you like that I feel my real soldier is small but she's the last of her kind here take a look
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