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Post by phssthpok on Dec 17, 2013 15:06:16 GMT -5
Necro-thread resurrection for an update. I got the clutch swapped out today (just finished in fact). What a colossal pain. Even with an air impact wrench, I still had to heat the nut with a propane torch to break it loose. I don't feel so bad now about breaking down and buying an impact. All other attempts to 'lock' the bell and use a box end failed. It turns out that all three arms of the clutch were in various stages of disintegration, though the pads themselves were just fine, if just slightly glazed (it's as if the pad material was holding the last bits of each arm together). The inner bell surface was smooth as glass, but showed no signs of overheating or glazing. I gave it a light scuffing with some sandpaper as I would do a brake rotor when servicing. The pads on the new clutch had a nice rough surface already, so no pre-scuffing there. After a test fire and some carb tweaking, the rear wheel is now behaving normally. Smooth idle at ~1300rpm, and just the slightest hint of 'residual drag' wheel movement instead of the previous 5-10MPH (guestimated) spin. Unlike before, applying the brakes does not affect the idle at all. Now for the test ride.
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 16, 2013 22:37:24 GMT -5
High RPM: My first instinct is to check that the throttle cable is adjusted properly to ensure the throttle blade is being allowed to completely close. Given that the design of the carburetor places the throttle blade behind the main fuel metering apparatus, an air leak in the manifold shouldn't be able to cause a high RPM situation (I'm not sure I'd call 4K rpm an 'idle') especially with the A/F screw bottomed out (which IIRC should completely cut off all fuel through the idle circuit). Check also the automatic enricher servo. If it's stuck in the 'on' position, and you have a vacuum leak in the manifold, it's plausible that such conditions could result in the high 'idle'. It's also 'possible' the vacuum actuated petcock is faulty allowing some fuel to enter the manifold via the vacuum hose. However this too would pretty much require an accompanying vacuum leak in the manifold to supply a viable air/fuel mixture to cause the high RPM condition, otherwise the fuel would most likely flood out the engine causing a stall. From here all I can do is randomly speculate. It's possible the float itself is either malfunctioning or the needle/seat is failing to seal properly. In either case the fuel level could plausibly exceed the limits of the bowl, allowing some to seep into the throat of the carb, and thence be drawn into the intake manifold. If there is indeed an air leak in the manifold it's plausible that a 'perfect storm' of variables such as the above would account for a high 'idle' under the parameters you describe. Note however this is pure speculation. Fuel gauge: My first step would be to check the fuse panel. If the fuse is 'OK', then next I'd apply a multimeter or 'test light' to the wires at the gauge end of the harness to check for voltage, and work my way back from there (Note: I have, in the past, seen a fuse look perfectly fine, yet be faulty...testing a replacement fuse would not be a wasted effort 'just in case'). If you don't have a multimeter, then you could try checking the gauge for function by using some jumper wires directly from the battery to the gauge terminals. If the gauge 'functions' (read: moves) then you may safely presume that the gauge itself is fine, but it's not receiving voltage 'signal' for some reason (I'm presuming the fuse 'checked out'). The next physical thing to check would be the float/sending unit assembly in the fuel tank. Ensure proper mobility (read: make sure it's not seized in one position). If the float arm moves freely then at this point you MUST dig out a multimeter to do any further diagnostics. You will need to set for OHMS and check for variations in the readings at the terminals of the sending unit on top of the tank (where the wires plug in) as the float arm moves up and down. The actual numbers don't matter at first...you are checking to see if there is an electrical short/failure in the sending unit. If there is zero change in the numbers as you move the float arm up and down, then the sending unit is 'bad'. If the sending unit and gauge check out as 'functioning', the fuse is 'OK', and you have made sure all connections are clean and tight, then the only thing left to do is a point-by-point continuity test on the wiring harness from the tank to the gauge. You have my sympathies. (I HATE tracing electrical faults!) Mystery switch: Looks like a three position headlight/kill switch. Probably disconnected/bypassed by the previous owner. (which leads me to believe the fuel gauge issue may be related by similar circumstances)
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 16, 2013 10:59:50 GMT -5
my question is what is the weight that came with the scooter... According to this PDF the factory part number for your roller weights is YYSLL2501008. I have been unable to find a weight specification. Easiest solution I can think of is to ask a scooter shop you trust, or cough up $10 and weigh them yourself. That depends on your riding style.Do you constantly go for quick, snappy take-offs from a stop, or are you a more casual rider interested in taking it easy on your engine? This is a subject I want to know more about. Does it make a difference with the weights when you want better acceleration... Yes. Lighter weights require higher RPM to achieve full extension in their ramps (read: 'top gear'). A stronger contra spring will also achieve this effect, though through different means. No. Weights have zero effect on the final drive diameter of the variator pulley (unless you go TOO light , preventing them from moving to the ends of their ramps/fully closing the pulley). Fully extended is fully extended, and the overall diameter of the variator pulley when fully closed will be the determining factor in your top speed. if you want to add a few MPH in the top end you'll need to step up to a larger diameter variator (think: 'overdrive gear') and/or replace the final drive gear-set. Again, that depends on riding style; lots of stop and go (constantly moving the rollers up and down the ramps), vs. more steady cruising (rollers spend more time in one position). It's the motion of the rollers moving in the ramps that wears the flat spots. Less motion = less wear = longer life (for N value of 'lifespan'). Lighter weight and/or stronger contra spring will be what you want then.
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 14, 2013 18:46:30 GMT -5
It is not stainless steel because a magnet will not stick to it. I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I do feel the need to point out that not all grades of stainless steel are 'magnetic'. In fact, most aren't.
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 10, 2013 10:20:25 GMT -5
This thread has taken a hard left turn from 'I wonder if it's possible to ride a 150cc across the whole danged country' to 'ZOMG!! I'm building a trailer!'. Remember folks, this is still just a mental exercise to determine if it's feasible. As it is, I found out/confirmed last night that the clutch on the scoot really is well and truly borked (yeah...I haven't ridden much lately). I got the scoot fired up for it's monthly constitutional, and just ran it up and down the street to give it a stretch. Back at the gently sloped driveway, the scoot (at idle) was trying to move forward up the hill, and had some funny squeaking noises coming from the CVT, so I popped off the CVT cover...little metal bits all over inside the housing.(On the bright side, I noted that the shop the PO took it to installed a Gates belt, which is reassuring). So now My current dilemma is deciding whether to spend a LOT of money that I really can't afford to (clutch, true 115 variator, 1500contra spring), or just a LITTLE money, that I still can't really afford to (just the clutch). The the mechanic in me says "It's a sensuous repair!.... SENSUOUS in dair', might as well replace those other things too!". The penny pincher in me says 'It's not necessary to replace all three at the same time...the CVT cover comes off easy enough...it's not like replacing a water pump while you have the whole front of the engine apart to change the cam.'' 'But..Improved mileage..lower RPM (variator)! Better takeoff power-band (contra-spring)!' 'Cost/Benefit analysis...How long would the gas savings take to offset the increased up-front cost, and how much of that fuel savings would be surrendered to the better take off power-band?' GAAAAH!!!
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 9, 2013 8:33:00 GMT -5
While admittedly the 'sharp edge' of a curb or pothole is not the same as 'rough' off road terrain, have you SEEN some of the jumps (and landings) those competitive mountain-bikers do? (and yes, I understand that most modern MB's do have suspensions now...but that wasn't always the case, and they are typically carrying twice the load I intend too)
The thought of a suspension has crossed my mind though. It would add complexity, cost, and weight, and I think I can figure something out but it may just be simpler, lighter, and less expensive to carry a spare wheel.
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 8, 2013 21:18:53 GMT -5
Shock loads, and durability are the main reasons I planned on using 'mountain bike' wheels. They generally have stronger spokes, and 'meatier' tires, and at 24" outer diameter, the hub-speed will be less as compared to a 20" BMX (or smaller) wheel.
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 8, 2013 18:51:22 GMT -5
The trailer idea I have formulating in my mind would be constructed of 3/4"(id) steel electrical conduit, and utilize mountain bike wheels. Something akin to this, only without the angle iron. I still don't understand why, if they had a tubing bender, they didn't take the time to do the maths and make the perimeter of the frame a single piece of tube. As a welder/fabricator by trade I can tell you it's not *that* hard... and I SUCK at math! I imagine the whole thing would weigh maybe 15lbs 'empty'. Those 6.5 gal tanks weigh in around 5 lbs (I went out in the garage and hefted an empty one...I have three), so..20 lbs tops combined. 6 gallons of gas at 6.25lbs/gal nets 37.5 lbs...call it 40 lbs for fudge sake, and the total is now 60lbs for trailer, tank, and fuel. Add another 10 lbs for the decking/sleeping platform, tarp, and bedding. 70 lbs. is getting 'up there', but that's everything I imagined hauling on it, and depending on how much room I have on the pillion seat, I may relocate some of the bedding up there for a 'backrest'. In my mind's eye I'm envisioning a 'deck' 24'' long x 24" wide, with three layers of decking hinged in 'accordion' style to fold out to a flat sleeping surface 60"l x 24"w (I'm roughly 5'7" so an even 6 feet of deck is plenty). Holes will be drilled in the deck in six locations to accommodate 'pockets' in which light-weight 1/2" PVC slip-together 'square' arches will be fit. Throw a tarp over the top and you have a dry sleeping place for the night. The fuel tank would be fit under, and suspended from, the deck rails to lower the CG. The braking thing *might* be an issue, but given that the scoot is designed to accommodate two-up riding (with an advertised 'max load' of 385lbs), and myself clocking in at under 200lbs, it seems that total braking load is well withing engineered specifications.. However it did make me think, so prior to finding out the max load I went out to the garage to look the scoot over a bit, and found that the rear brake is cable operated. Working the hand lever I watched just how much 'throw' the drum lever had, and determined that I could rig a bicycle brake cable to the drum lever and give the trailer it's own brakes. I could even make them adjustable for varying loads! The primary reason for going with a 6gal. marine tank is partly the fact that all the fuel pick-up engineering has been done (as opposed to figuring out how to do it on a smaller Jerry can), and partly the 6 gal capacity completely eliminating the need for any mid-day fuel stops. I'll either top up as I wind up my riding day, or first thing the next morning...and short of any mechanical breakdowns or biological needs, I'll be set for a day of non-stop seat time. I'm hoping I can offset any 'time lost' to slower speeds through towns by holding a 'cruise' speed between 45-50 in order to average out/achieve the overall 40mph average goal.
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 8, 2013 12:37:15 GMT -5
Having had the trailer seed planted, I've spent the last couple of hours perusing YouTube for examples and ideas (in addition to finding this helpful forum thread). My CDO */Asperger's kicked in and I've already gone out and attacked the scooter with a tape measure! In my mind I'm now envisioning the suitcase in an 'underslung' orientation and a 'flip-flop' deck arrangement that I can convert into a quasi-tent sleeping platform via PVC arches and a tarp. Add a rolled up foam sleeping pad, and a blanket or sleeping bag, and I'm set for a decent night's sleep! I even planned for removable 'feet' to stabilize the platform when extended. Which of course got me to thinking about an even larger aux fuel tank. As for mechanical abilities...I once salvaged a three day fishing trip out in the hinter-boonies when the high pressure side power steering hose blew out *just* as we arrived, using nothing more than some duct tape and a hose-clamp! The main chunk of hose that 'blew out' (about the size of a small popcorn kernel) was still attached by a small bit of rubber, so I used a rag and some gasoline to thoroughly degrease the entire hose, stuffed the chunk back into place, wrapped the ever-living snot out of the hose, and backed that up with the hose clamp reefed down as tight as I could manage right over said blow-out point. that patch held for a week and a half before the special order 'one-model-year-only-so-we-don't-stock-it' replacement hose arrived at the parts store. It still leaked...but at less than a small drip every ten seconds or so...slow enough that it checking/topping it at every fuel stop was sufficient to keep from getting dangerously low. *It's like OCD, only alphabetized... As. It. Should. Be.
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 8, 2013 9:45:50 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about the oil change intervals. Didn't realize they were so short! The oil I intended to pack along was just one quart of 'emergency' oil...any oil changes en route would in fact be done with locally sourced oil . I guess I'll have to add a small funnel to the list of tools. BTW...last engine/trans oil change I did, I glued some small neodymium magnets to the tops of the plugs. presuming this succeeds in trapping metallic particles, would that increase the oil change intervals, or is the interval set more by the blow-by from the piston? Also...why the extra filter plug? It doesn't seem like it would be a wear item. I'd like to avoid a trailer if possible, though having a small one DOES increase capacity. I could even make it just big enough for the extra tank and switch to an actual fuel PUMP (such as those used on the floor-tank-equipped Ruckus). that would greatly lower the center of gravity vs. having a full tank up on the package rack. Money *IS* a factor in all this so springing for a couple of top end rebuild kits is probably not in the offing. The same goes for a complete spare carb and (sadly) most likely the AAA membership. 12vdc outlet is a good idea. One that I had already thought of, but forgot to list. As for tools, I plan to have a small 'pocket' socket set, a selection of box end wrenches, a 'multiple 16th's wrench', and a specific pair of screwdrivers I have that allow me to make idle speed and mixture adjustments without removing ANY body parts. Oh I have zero delusions about it being anywhere *near* fun, but money constraints force time constraints. However, I fully intend to limit myself to no more than 10 hours of actual seat time each day (or 400 miles...whichever comes first ) and then get off and stay off the bike for the remainder of the day, even if I feel like I'm wasting perfectly good ride time. If I could afford to get another platform, I'd just step up to an actual motorcycle. Lately I've been giving the Yamaha V-Star 650 a good, HARD looking at. I've seen several in the $2500-3500 range around here. Unfortunately, the fact that I am stuck with what I have (the Roketa 150) is the whole reason this thread was even worth creating. Going cross country on a 650cc cruiser isn't anything special (in the MC world that is)...doing it on a 'cheap' Chinese gy6 clone on the other hand...
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Post by phssthpok on Dec 7, 2013 19:49:36 GMT -5
For reasons other than just S-n-G's, I'm pondering the feasibility of riding the 150cc Roketa across the country next spring...Eastern Washington to Central Florida. I've put some thought into it already, but I'm nowhere near done planning (I just started in fact). Google maps has a nifty feature that will give you directions between to points, and has the options of 'Avoid Freeways', and 'Avoid Tolls'...it figured the trip at a touch under 3100 miles. So far the rough plan calls for 10 hours seat time/day averaging 40mph (400mi/day) with a total travel time of approximately 8 days. Fuel stops would be minimized through the use of an additional tank. Specifically one of the 'suitcase' 6.5 gallon marine fuel tanks, strapped to the back (either bridging the pillion portion of the seat and the rear package rack, or sideways on the package rack). This would be plumbed with a standard motorcycle petcock (Off/Main/Reserve). Primary fuel draw would be from the 'large' tank with the factory 1.3 under-seat tank as the 'reserve'. If I average 60mpg, and use a maximum 7gal/day of the available fuel load, then I should have a range of 420 miles between fill-ups...well within my intended 400mi/day. Which of course means only tanking up ONCE per day. Minimal fuel stops will go a long way toward achieving a full 10 hours of 'seat time'/day. This would also be something of an extended camping trip as funds would/will be tight and hotels not an option. So at a minimum I'd be packing a decent sized tarp to 'tent' over the scoot, a sleeping bag or 'heavy' blanket, toiletries, and a few changes of clothes. As a backpacker of the Cascades in years past I have lots of lightweight packs and camping gear for amenities, though my camelbak type drinking bladders will probably need replacing. Additionally I'd be packing tools, spare parts (belt, spark plug, coil, CDI, and probably some jets for elevation changes), oil, and a tire plug kit. So far that's about the extent of my 'external' plans (though bear in mind I'm just in the beginning stages of planning). Next comes the 'internals'...namely, CVT upgrades for longevity/increased fuel efficiency. For the mountainous areas, I was thinking of a stiffer contra-spring on the clutch to keep it in a 'lower' gear longer. Once up to full cruising speed the CVT should reach it's maximum ratio-change regardless of the spring tension, but a stiffer spring sure would help reduce strain on the engine when taking off from a stop with all that load on. I'm wondering though if I should combine lighter variator weights with the stiffer contra spring, to further lengthen the amount of time the CVT remains in lower 'gears' since I was also thinking about swapping out the final drive gear set for something with a little more 'legs' (to reduce RPM at cruising). With the exception of the occasional stoplights in podunk towns I'll be going through (as a result of avoiding freeways, and sticking to secondary highways), most of the ride will be spent at 3/4+ throttle cruising speeds. So what do you folks think? Doable? cheers/jeers? picks/pans? Anything you can think of that I haven't mentioned planning for?
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Post by phssthpok on Nov 19, 2013 8:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by phssthpok on Nov 18, 2013 23:25:58 GMT -5
The fun part is when you get to pull the engine just to change the alternator... Hope it goes well for your mom Even more fun is swapping the timing belt...Ask me how I know. (fortunately it wasn't my car, i was helping a friend, but still... OY VEY! )
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Post by phssthpok on Oct 5, 2013 18:25:27 GMT -5
I think you'd have far better luck with one of those E-bay 'electric superchargers'. Who knows... with such a small engine, it MIGHT actually create a tiny amount of boost!
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Post by phssthpok on Sept 27, 2013 22:11:24 GMT -5
I see no reason why one could not have multiple gears. They already have the engineering figured out for bicycles...why not carry that knowledge over to a multi-gear chain drive on a scooter? The question is more a mater of whether or not it's worth the effort.
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