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Post by spunn on Jul 7, 2014 13:33:25 GMT -5
OldChopper:
What a great bike, I love history and specially on bikes. Glad to see someone who has their eyes open and not closed
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 7, 2014 14:01:48 GMT -5
HD should have had it designed so it would at least leak on the chain  |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jul 7, 2014 20:21:33 GMT -5
If Harley made a scooter (currently), could we ride it in Sturgis without getting beat up? If Harley made a scooter (currently), would the owners be more likely to get tatoos? If Harley made a scooter (currently), would Toyota offer a "Harley Davidson Edition" Prius? Just some of the things I think about when I'm stuck in traffic.
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Post by spandi on Jul 7, 2014 21:44:23 GMT -5
Just like that ford f-150 with the HD package..lmao!!! Hey I like it, but my fav is the king ranch! |
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Post by spandi on Jul 7, 2014 21:51:05 GMT -5
Here's a pic that bridges fifty years, some of which were a little "leaky"...
Loved my Harleys, and love my Kymco...
Most of my Harley experience was with pre-1958 (pre-Electra-Glide) kick-start "Big-Twin 74's" All "Pan-Heads". My 1970 Electra-Glide did not leak... BUT... "Old Blue" my 1957 chopper WOULD deposit the obligatory wee-wee puddle of oil when parked. However, you gotta consider WHY this irritating phenomenon took place "back in the day"...
The old Hog crankshaft turned on ball-bearings, and had no real oil-seals. Being a dry-sump system, the bulk of the oil stayed in the tank under the seat. To keep the oil from exiting the engine while running, the crankshaft had huge reverse Acme threads cut on the ends where they exit the block... These spinning threads "wormed" the oil BACK into the block as it tried to run out... Hmmm... Now THERE was a piece of 1910 engineering that was AMAZING! The old Hogs DID have pressurized oiling, but STILL depended a lot on "slop and splash" lubrication.
It DID work, allowing only about a half-quart of oil to "escape" the engine every 1,000 miles... depending of course, on how many times you parked on the side-stand... LOL! But when the bike was parked on the side-stand, about an ounce of oil would drip from the primary chain-guard as it dripped off the crank, and into the chain-case. That also helped lube the primary chain...
The "puddle" phenomenon with old Harleys actually was usually NOT a true "leak", but a designed-in engineering feature left over from the turn-of-the-century engines. Hey, it WORKED, and NOBODY gave a rat's butt about leaving an oil stain on the ground... Heck, guys would regularly dump their oil in the alley and toss a handful of kitty-litter on it just so they wouldn't slip and fall on their butts, and into the pile of rotting, leaking batteries while walking through the goo. It was a different world, but a mighty enjoyable one! Think I'll go kill some weeds with the remaining black oil from the old Xingyue's final oil-change... LOL!
Modern bikes have probably noticeably cut sales of kitty-litter... LOL!
Leo (not needing to clean up under the old Kymco) in Texas
Leo, regardless of "oil leaks" or not, you've done more and had more memorable experiences than most folks could ever dream of, and now as you cruise into the "September Years" you do so with a wonderful lady at your side and still on two wheels! Thanks for sharing!  |
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Post by rockynv on Jul 8, 2014 3:57:00 GMT -5
Cars until the early 60's had a breather/purge tube that would spritz oil out under the vehicle to relieve build up of crankcase pressure from combustion that blew past the piston rings. Sometimes it would build up on the exhaust headers and cause a fire and if you were riding behind on a motorcycle you got droplets on you and you had to be careful at traffic lights and stop signs where the oil from all the cars would build up far worse than it does today. Parking spaces were all covered with oil stains in the middle of them where the engines of cars dripped while they were parked.
Old school way was to design machines without seals and use the flow to ensure fresh oil was in the bearings and to flush out any contaminants. Some high speed engines actually had compressors to blow air past venturies to pick up a mist of oil to blow through and out bearings to cool and lubricate them while others had separate oil cups or reservoirs with wicks to constantly drip oil on shafts and their bearings. You filled them up regularly and would keep an oil can handy to replenish them just like with the Tim Man on the Wizard of Oz.
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Post by RapidJim on Jul 8, 2014 8:43:54 GMT -5
If Harley made a scooter (currently), could we ride it in Sturgis without getting beat up? If Harley made a scooter (currently), would the owners be more likely to get tatoos? If Harley made a scooter (currently), would Toyota offer a "Harley Davidson Edition" Prius? Just some of the things I think about when I'm stuck in traffic. Once again Got to love myths! In all my years of riding (over 45), all the bars I have been in, all the Harley rides I have been on and many times at Sturgis, I have not once seen a Harley rider rider ever beat up anyone for what they are riding, now mouth off and act a fool, is a different story. Case in point, earlier this year I sold a 150cc Maddog to a customer who lives in southern Wi, who drinks in a Outlaw Biker bar and parks his Maddog with the Harleys. In fact, he created a Scooter Club whose colors are Black and White (hmmmm wonder where that came from) Not all Harley Riders have tatoos just like not all scooter riders don't have. Now the Prius statement, bet they would sell a bunch if they had a HD Edition. Leo: I love to read your posts brings back lots of great memories |
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Post by urbanmadness on Jul 8, 2014 11:46:19 GMT -5
The funniest thing I've seen with the whole Harley Vs Scooter rivlerie was.
Me and my buddies went for a scooter ride. We had 4 scooters all told. We went to a little town called Fairoaks and found a little, deli-coffee shop kind of place for lunch. There was one harley parked on the street, so we all pulled up and parked next to it. After about 10 minutes, the harley guy went out and moved his bike across the street. We all thought it was funny. And yes, we left him pluntey of room too so it wasn't a case of someone parked too close to his bike either...
A lot of Harley peeps I've run into will talk to you about your bike... I've even had some thumbs up from a few.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 8, 2014 12:10:22 GMT -5
HD should have had it designed so it would at least leak on the chain
Well... it "sorta" did... The loose oil DID manage to get all over BOTH the primary AND drive-chains... And with enough bumpy roads, the hard-tail frame's unforgiving bounce ensured it just might lube the clutch disks too... You could always tell; when the kick-starter slipped while turning over the beast, you then had a wet-clutch... LOL!
Usually, a few WOT jackrabbit starts would produce a cloud of blue smoke from the chain-case, and some flaming oil dripping from the "drain-hole" to wake up traffic behind you... HeHeHe... Once the clutch got red-hot, and all the oil went up in flames, all was well again... And "Old Blue" with her double-sized engine could REALLY smoke a clutch!
Those were good days... Cars and sweater-girls both had points... Tires and TV's both had tubes... A "carbon footprint" was what you left on the carpet when you came in from the garage... And bikers had a whole lot of FUN!
Ride safe, and keep the kitty-litter handy!
Leo
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 8, 2014 12:44:31 GMT -5
Spandi, RapidJim and all my site-pals...
Yeah, I guess I've been around long enough to have done most everything worthwhile, and a few things not so smart... Through it all though, I've always loved anything on two wheels. Even today, at a time when age and health issues limit me to a step-through, flat-floor scooter, I'm VERY glad there are flat-floor, step-through scooters!To be honest, I even have come to prefer the CVT tranny, and having both brakes on the bars. Sometimes when stopping, I'm more comfortable putting both feet down. It's just a lot steadier. I'm amazed at how much the old Kymco 250 reminds me of the old Harley baggers of my youth. Great windshield, cushy seat, leisurely yet adequate acceleration up to 70+mph and she "grooves" straight and true at any speed above a walk. NOT bad-assed, but NOT bad! Not bad at all!
All that, and no leaks, no kicking, no shifting and nearly no maintenance... Just start her up and go, like the family car. All that and  +mpg gas-mileage. "Old Blue" was an ANIMAL... Just what a 375 pound teenage alpha-dog dreams of. Fifty years later, "Minnie Mouse" is a LADY. Just what a 235 pound old geezer, no longer part of the dog-pack needs.I'm so comfortable around bikes that I seldom notice what others are riding... I sometimes fall in with a roving band of outlaws, or some crazy young bucks on crotch-rockets... or locals just discovering 2-wheels on scooters. We all enjoy the "knuckles-in-the-wind" experience, whether the "posse" is heading for L.A. or just to the local "watering-hole". The old guys always give a knowing smile, having been around the block. The young ones usually get a kick out of hearing about the early days before insurance, mufflers, helmets and "things green"... Back when Americans never thought about "Gee, what DID we do to offend these people" rather they would grit their teeth and say "you want a piece of me? Let's dance".
If you've ever seen Robert Duvall in "Second-hand Lions" you've seen a little bit of how we old guys feel... No matter your age, no mater your ride, ride safe, and enjoy the ride!  Leo in Texas
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Post by RapidJim on Jul 8, 2014 16:25:20 GMT -5
Spandi, RapidJim and all my site-pals...
Yeah, I guess I've been around long enough to have done most everything worthwhile, and a few things not so smart... Through it all though, I've always loved anything on two wheels. Even today, at a time when age and health issues limit me to a step-through, flat-floor scooter, I'm VERY glad there are flat-floor, step-through scooters!To be honest, I even have come to prefer the CVT tranny, and having both brakes on the bars. Sometimes when stopping, I'm more comfortable putting both feet down. It's just a lot steadier. I'm amazed at how much the old Kymco 250 reminds me of the old Harley baggers of my youth. Great windshield, cushy seat, leisurely yet adequate acceleration up to 70+mph and she "grooves" straight and true at any speed above a walk. NOT bad-assed, but NOT bad! Not bad at all!
All that, and no leaks, no kicking, no shifting and nearly no maintenance... Just start her up and go, like the family car. All that and +mpg gas-mileage. "Old Blue" was an ANIMAL... Just what a 375 pound teenage alpha-dog dreams of. Fifty years later, "Minnie Mouse" is a LADY. Just what a 235 pound old geezer, no longer part of the dog-pack needs.I'm so comfortable around bikes that I seldom notice what others are riding... I sometimes fall in with a roving band of outlaws, or some crazy young bucks on crotch-rockets... or locals just discovering 2-wheels on scooters. We all enjoy the "knuckles-in-the-wind" experience, whether the "posse" is heading for L.A. or just to the local "watering-hole". The old guys always give a knowing smile, having been around the block. The young ones usually get a kick out of hearing about the early days before insurance, mufflers, helmets and "things green"... Back when Americans never thought about "Gee, what DID we do to offend these people" rather they would grit their teeth and say "you want a piece of me? Let's dance".
If you've ever seen Robert Duvall in "Second-hand Lions" you've seen a little bit of how we old guys feel... No matter your age, no mater your ride, ride safe, and enjoy the ride! Leo in Texas Yep love those days myself. Hey Leo, wanta come kick start my 50 Pan I getting to old LOL |
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 8, 2014 16:52:23 GMT -5
How comes the HD guys wont wave at me when Im on my scooter,,are they too tough to wave..lmao!!
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Post by nakedguy on Jul 8, 2014 19:27:06 GMT -5
Ok my last 2 cents .what do Harleys and german shepherds have in common ? Ok they both like to ride in the back of pickup trucks ( go to Sturgis and just watch the trailer queens ) and second they both leak alot . Now if you want to see something lay down oil a friend has a 1928 or 29 Indian .bone stock but restored , it has a total loss system , if you look at the bike it has 2 gas caps , but 1 is really a oil cap , the gas tank is really half gas tank and half oil tank , when you start the bike you turn on both the gas and oil peacocks .the oil runs through the engine and right out on the ground, there is no oil pan , pump or anything else .the tree huggers just love him when he rides it , and don't forget to shut off the petcock , or you will gave about a gallon on the ground
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 8, 2014 19:33:37 GMT -5
Ok my last 2 cents .what do Harleys and german shepherds have in common ? Ok they both like to ride in the back of pickup trucks ( go to Sturgis and just watch the trailer queens ) and second they both leak alot . Now if you want to see something lay down oil a friend has a 1928 or 29 Indian .bone stock but restored , it has a total loss system , if you look at the bike it has 2 gas caps , but 1 is really a oil cap , the gas tank is really half gas tank and half oil tank , when you start the bike you turn on both the gas and oil peacocks .the oil runs through the engine and right out on the ground, there is no oil pan , pump or anything else .the tree huggers just love him when he rides it , and don't forget to shut off the petcock , or you will gave about a gallon on the ground Yeah a gallon on the ground and the rest in the crank case..lol |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Jul 8, 2014 20:12:23 GMT -5
I was just goofin, RapidJim. I've seen posts on advr from guys that rode Japanese dual sport bikes to the Sturgis Rally without anybody giving them any trouble about it.
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+mpg gas-mileage. "Old Blue" was an ANIMAL... Just what a 375 pound teenage alpha-dog dreams of. Fifty years later, "Minnie Mouse" is a LADY. Just what a 235 pound old geezer, no longer part of the dog-pack needs.
