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Post by spandi on Oct 1, 2013 22:25:46 GMT -5
Kat Let us not compound violence with more violence. Instead let's just hope they end up doing hard time with some VERY affectionate cellmates!
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 1, 2013 22:39:42 GMT -5
spandi, I'm just sayin' those guys break in my window and drag me out, I'm punching holes in thoraxes 'til they take me down. 'Cause they're obviously planning on taking me down regardless. Sorry, but I'll take some of them first.
But yes, I do like the idea of them with their new jail-buddies introducing them to a whole new world. And I don't mean Aladdin, either!
>'Kat
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Post by larry001964 on Oct 1, 2013 22:48:09 GMT -5
I saw the video on Fox news, these guys were out for trouble.. They had there license plates on their bikes covered.. If he and run them all over I would have had no sympathy for them.. If this sounds cold so be it.
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Post by spandi on Oct 1, 2013 22:53:13 GMT -5
spandi, I'm just sayin' those guys break in my window and drag me out, I'm punching holes in thoraxes 'til they take me down. 'Cause they're obviously planning on taking me down regardless. Sorry, but I'll take some of them first. But yes, I do like the idea of them with their new jail-buddies introducing them to a whole new world. And I don't mean Aladdin, either! >'Kat Alrighty then, how about this?
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Post by earlylight160 on Oct 1, 2013 23:03:17 GMT -5
Need a couple more belts of ammo.
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Post by spandi on Oct 1, 2013 23:07:29 GMT -5
....and just to keep things interesting, a eagle eyed marksman.
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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 2, 2013 3:11:05 GMT -5
Sorry I guess I am from another time or something , been in too many wrecks and seen to many wrecks from careless cagers that don't care. Lost fellow riders from cagers . What they did on the video does not show the whole story , some of your sane comments I've heard before but with cruser riders instead of rice rocket riders taking the blame . The media and police will show that its those mad max bikers terrorizing and out for blood crap only to put another bad light on us all . Believe what you want , we have that right . The taking care of business I do stand beside , when was the last time you were out for a ride with your buddy and a cager runs him down without even looking were they were going or even care , or your wife ran off the rode and the cager took off ? Am I biased to the bikers , yes possibly but then I've been there and how would you react ? Should the bikers had bashed the dudes head in , no blocking him in and waiting for police to settle it yes ...oh but wait when they tried that he ran them over even more so if he's out for my blood and doesn't care I'm just supposed to let it go? Sorry if a blind cager runs me over for no reason I hope my brothers will chase him down and stop him so the police can take his butt to jail.
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Post by rockynv on Oct 2, 2013 4:34:48 GMT -5
If you saw the way some of these guys involved in the tire slashing, car bashing incident where made up it sheds a whole new light on this. The thugs tried to build sympathy by showing a cleaned up thug in the hospital that is after they removed the lip zippers and red zombie paint off of his face. In the before pictures he looked more like a Mutant Biker character from a Mad Max Movie. Most folks would be calling 911 if even one of these guys rang their doorbell.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 2, 2013 5:04:32 GMT -5
Sorry I guess I am from another time or something , been in too many wrecks and seen to many wrecks from careless cagers that don't care. Lost fellow riders from cagers . What they did on the video does not show the whole story , some of your sane comments I've heard before but with cruser riders instead of rice rocket riders taking the blame . The media and police will show that its those mad max bikers terrorizing and out for blood crap only to put another bad light on us all . Believe what you want , we have that right . The taking care of business I do stand beside , when was the last time you were out for a ride with your buddy and a cager runs him down without even looking were they were going or even care , or your wife ran off the rode and the cager took off ? Am I biased to the bikers , yes possibly but then I've been there and how would you react ? Should the bikers had bashed the dudes head in , no blocking him in and waiting for police to settle it yes ...oh but wait when they tried that he ran them over even more so if he's out for my blood and doesn't care I'm just supposed to let it go? Sorry if a blind cager runs me over for no reason I hope my brothers will chase him down and stop him so the police can take his butt to jail. Listen carefully. Not your job to "take care of business". Not your job to pull one over. Not your job to surround them. I see a video that shows the criminals causing the problem. You HEAR that the SUV hit a bike first but didn't see it on the video and you chose to believe that. Yes believe what you want, I will pick what I see not hear. Do that to me and I'm going to shoot you and your friends. It is unbelievable that anyone could see the gangs side of this.
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 2, 2013 5:44:34 GMT -5
Again freefour, you do NOT have the right to take the law into your own hands and chase down someone even if they've started the violence. You DO have the right to defend yourself and your family if you're being attacked.
There's the difference. IF the SUV-driver hit a biker first, on purpose with intent to hurt, then you may follow and take the tag info and call 911 and let them know where you currently are with the perp. You do NOT get to surround him, slow him down, or otherwise assault him in return. You definitely do NOT!!! get to go mob his vehicle to the point he fears for his and his family's safety and runs. You sure as anything do NOT!!!!!! have the right to smash in his window and pull him out and beat on him.
But then again, I suppose you do have the right to turn criminal yourself and get yourself in bigger trouble than he ever will be, even if he started the entire thing on purpose.
And to clarify my own violence--I would go on the attack once they've surrounded me and come smash in my window. Yes, then I'll do whatever it takes to defend myself, to try to keep myself alive, and maybe not as hurt. If that means punching holes in thoraxes with my lightning rod, then I'll do it. Sorry, I'm not going to just allow them to beat on me, or even rape me. Guess it's a girl thing.
Btb, your prejudice and HATE is showing, freefour. I'm really glad I'll never encounter you on the road, seeing how I'm usually driving a car. Frightening to think there's folks like you out there hating me just because I'm driving a car, and thinking I'm only on the road to run you down and other crap like that. You scare me.
>'Kat
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Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 2, 2013 6:14:27 GMT -5
That video is the best argument I've ever seen for legalizing sawed off shotguns!
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Post by larry001964 on Oct 2, 2013 8:03:58 GMT -5
Sorry I guess I am from another time or something , been in too many wrecks and seen to many wrecks from careless cagers that don't care. Lost fellow riders from cagers . What they did on the video does not show the whole story , some of your sane comments I've heard before but with cruser riders instead of rice rocket riders taking the blame . The media and police will show that its those mad max bikers terrorizing and out for blood crap only to put another bad light on us all . Believe what you want , we have that right . The taking care of business I do stand beside , when was the last time you were out for a ride with your buddy and a cager runs him down without even looking were they were going or even care , or your wife ran off the rode and the cager took off ? Am I biased to the bikers , yes possibly but then I've been there and how would you react ? Should the bikers had bashed the dudes head in , no blocking him in and waiting for police to settle it yes ...oh but wait when they tried that he ran them over even more so if he's out for my blood and doesn't care I'm just supposed to let it go? Sorry if a blind cager runs me over for no reason I hope my brothers will chase him down and stop him so the police can take his butt to jail. Look at the video, this was premeditated, why else would you have the plates on your bike covered ? I too em a long time bike rider.. Long enough to know what the bikers were doing here was wrong. Completely wrong. As for "taking care of business". If anybody had any grounds for that it's the cager. I em biker bias, but in this case the bikers were looking for trouble and when they didn't find any, they created it. The guy in the SUV was actually very nice under the circumstances, surround my car make me think my family is in danger, I promise you, I'm going to use my car's weight and power to make your day a very bad one, and if you never see another day ohhh well.. There is no justification for covering your plates on any vehicle unless your doing something you should not be doing..
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Post by sailracer on Oct 2, 2013 8:18:00 GMT -5
This is a sad new Fad that's taking place in america and maybe elsewhere too. Groups of younger kids bent on mayhem, go out and commit horrendous acts while taping it and then post it on the internet.Use the brain God gave you A- licence plates covered B they are filming the thing WHY?Maybe in Finland That behavior Is excusable (I doubt it) but it's not here in america (at least by most of us anyway)
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 8:31:41 GMT -5
FreeFour68....Just a warning...if you come to America,and decide to "take care of business" on your own, you'll likely end up like these guys....in jail or worse...paralyzed and in a coma.
NYPD: Second biker arrested in SUV driver beating
A second suspect was arrested in connection with an attack on a SUV driver who was swarmed by bikers on a New York street, police said Tuesday.
Allen Edwards, 42, faces charges of reckless endangerment, criminal mischief and menacing for the Sunday incident, the New York City Police Department said.
The terrifying incident involving bikers on Manhattan's west side went viral after a video of the incident surfaced online.
A helmet camera one of the bikers was wearing captured much of the violent incident, including the moment when the a biker walks up to the SUV and smashes its window with a bike helmet. Biker injured clash with SUV driver Motorcycles, SUV clash on NYC streets
The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.
The biker who was struck by the SUV, 28-year-old Christopher Cruz, was later arrested and faces several charges, including reckless endangerment, reckless driving and endangering the welfare of a child, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said on Tuesday.
The SUV driver pulled over after the biker was hit, and the motorcyclists surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.
One of those bikers, Edwin Mieses, 32, is now paralyzed and in a coma, his family told CNN affiliate WBZ.
"All of his ribs are fractured," Mieses' mother, Yolanda Santiago, told WBZ, "his lungs are so badly bruised that he's still on a ventilator."
Mieses' wife, Dayana, told CNN affiliate WCBS her husband got off his bike to help Cruz but the SUV driver drove off, hitting her husband on the way.
The hospital where Mieses is being treated did not respond to CNN inquiries about his condition.
The gang, called "Hollywood Stuntz," according to police, chased the man, and he was forced to stop because of flat tires.
The SUV driver was cornered and beaten, according to police. He was later treated at a local hospital for slashes to his face and released. His wife and child were not injured.
"I don't condone the violence, there's no need for it," Mieses' sister Margie Mejia told WBZ, but "I'm glad they chased him down and they stopped him."
Police say this same group of bikers descended on New York City and clogged up Times Square last year in what Kelly said was a "major stunt event."
Authorities say they were able to prevent the group from entering Times Square this year. Police arrested 15 bikers in total Sunday, seized 55 bikes and wrote 68 summons for various violations.
They are looking at video footage to try to determine whether any other charges will be filed in the incident.
On whether it was legal for the SUV driver to leave the scene after hitting the first motorcyclist, Kelly said Tuesday that "you have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that's what we're doing."
"The investigation is ongoing," Kelly said.
At this time, the SUV driver is not facing any charges.
"It's not going to bring my son's legs back, because it's not going to make him walk again," Mieses' mother said, "But justice has to be served."
CNN's Elizabeth Landers contributed to this report.
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