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Post by larry001964 on Oct 1, 2013 10:51:20 GMT -5
Well with two people in the car, one can be getting the police while the other buys some time for them to arrive.. but a lot can happen in 5 mins, Alot
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 1, 2013 10:55:03 GMT -5
But the video doesn't show the entire story only what they did. I have read reports from other newspapers that the car had hit one of the bikers way befor you see it in the video . When he hit the biker they went to chase and that's when you see the video start . The guy stopping I front of the SUV in the beginning of the video is when they first pulled him over after he hit another biker in the first place... I was actually wondering why they had singled him out for harassment. If he did indeed hit one and continued driving that changes everything. I didn't see them really do anything in the first stop but open his door. I'm not sure how I would react if I had just seen a half dozen of my friends run over by an SUV after it had just taken out another of my friends. I do know at one point back in my hooligan days a car attempted to run me over when I was riding with a fellow hooligan. I quickly sped down the mountain road with my adrenalin rushing and pulled over at the next crossroad in a little town. My friend pulled up behind him at that stop and if he hadn't sped away as quickly as he had I'm not sure what we may have done. My friend was off his bike as was I and we were definitely in battle mode. The man had purposely swerved to hit me as I passed him and kept coming till I had to throttle off of the shoulder and ahead of him from there with a rock wall on one side and his large car on the other side, I think it got as narrow as 4' between the two. I very nearly lost it all there... It's a hard thing to judge with only limited information. I am generally a peaceful man and don't condone violence. I do occasionally understand it though... |
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Post by larry001964 on Oct 1, 2013 10:56:59 GMT -5
The right thing to do would have been for the bikers to follow the guy, call the police.. Surrounding him was WRONG..
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 1, 2013 10:58:03 GMT -5
The right thing to do would have been for the bikers to follow the guy, call the police.. Surrounding him was WRONG.. Agreed |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Oct 1, 2013 11:55:22 GMT -5
Sage advice from a firearms self-defense guru which I read decades ago... "Remember; When your life is SECONDS from being taken, the police are only MINUTES away..."
Food for thought, although with a crowd like this, you'd definitely need something FAR more potent and holding a LOT more ammo than the typical concealed-carry handgun.
It will be MOST enlightening when these crotch-rocket bad-guy wannabes inadvertently pull this on a van full of REAL outlaw bikers... LOL! It's bound to happen some sunny (albeit VERY bloody) afternoon.
Leo (cleaning up the 100-round drum for the old AK)in Texas
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Post by JerryScript on Oct 1, 2013 12:28:32 GMT -5
Perhaps the moral of the story is: When driving down the road, if you suddenly find yourself in the midst of a group of motorcycle riders, slow down and let them go on ahead of you.
The first lesson they teach you in self defense is to stay out of dangerous situations.
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Post by PCBGY6 on Oct 1, 2013 12:57:47 GMT -5
This was a hot topic on the rivals football board. A mod on that board locked it. He rides a hyabusa. Go figure.
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Post by sailracer on Oct 1, 2013 14:51:22 GMT -5
No matter what the circumstances, there is no defense for that kind of behavior.From all the news reports I hear, The guys on the bikes were the agressors. The one who cut him off has been charged with reckless endangerment of a child among other things,I am absolutely flabberghasted that any of you would think the driver did anything to deserve that!!!Society has sunken to new all time lows.
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Post by danno on Oct 1, 2013 14:59:24 GMT -5
But the video doesn't show the entire story only what they did. I have read reports from other newspapers that the car had hit one of the bikers way befor you see it in the video . When he hit the biker they went to chase and that's when you see the video start . The guy stopping I front of the SUV in the beginning of the video is when they first pulled him over after he hit another biker in the first place . How many times has a cager threatened your life with them not looking were they are going ? My ex was going to collage on her honda cb400 once and a car load of ditsy blondes pulled out I front of her causeing her to wreck and total the bike . The ditsy blondes we like ."...oops so sorry we didn't see you ha ha ha ..." And sped away . I have had close calls myself and I have been to many biker rallies and ridden in pacs and have seen to many times the stupid cagers dont even bother to look or claim they didn't see you . Lost a couple friends that way too. Is it right what they did .....well I won't say yes or no but I have been in that situation to often and yes in the old days that happened several times . This isn't anything new ....happened all the time back in the day .....group out for a ride some jack hole causes them to wreck or runs one down and speeds away ...bikers gave chase and took care of business . Hmmm..."some jack hole causes them to wreck or runs one down and speeds away... bikers gave chase and took care of business" Took care of business??" Purposely slowing down inches in front of the SUV is not "Taking care of business" When they pulled the man out of his car and assaulted him, is not "taking care of business". What they did was a crime and not "business" |
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Post by jwalz1 on Oct 1, 2013 16:00:16 GMT -5
But the video doesn't show the entire story only what they did. I have read reports from other newspapers that the car had hit one of the bikers way befor you see it in the video . When he hit the biker they went to chase and that's when you see the video start . The guy stopping I front of the SUV in the beginning of the video is when they first pulled him over after he hit another biker in the first place . How many times has a cager threatened your life with them not looking were they are going ? My ex was going to collage on her honda cb400 once and a car load of ditsy blondes pulled out I front of her causeing her to wreck and total the bike . The ditsy blondes we like ."...oops so sorry we didn't see you ha ha ha ..." And sped away . I have had close calls myself and I have been to many biker rallies and ridden in pacs and have seen to many times the stupid cagers dont even bother to look or claim they didn't see you . Lost a couple friends that way too. Is it right what they did .....well I won't say yes or no but I have been in that situation to often and yes in the old days that happened several times . This isn't anything new ....happened all the time back in the day .....group out for a ride some jack hole causes them to wreck or runs one down and speeds away ...bikers gave chase and took care of business . Hmmm..."some jack hole causes them to wreck or runs one down and speeds away... bikers gave chase and took care of business" Took care of business??" Purposely slowing down inches in front of the SUV is not "Taking care of business" When they pulled the man out of his car and assaulted him, is not "taking care of business". What they did was a crime and not "business" Correct. The original accident, as has been correctly reported, was called an accident by the police and shown clearly in video from the scene, the biker crossed in front of the SUV and then braked. The SUV driver might have been able to stop had he reacted quicker, but he was in a swarm of idiots. When he stopped they began attacking the vehicle. I would have sped away too. I don't blame the driver at all and I think freefour's take is inaccurate and immature. Pulling a man out of a car and beating him in front of his wife and two year old is not "taking care business." It is being a criminal douchebag and hopefully results in prison. |
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Post by prodigit on Oct 1, 2013 16:51:22 GMT -5
The bikers where harassing the rider. He was surrounded by the motorcyclists, and when the biker in front of him hit the brakes, he hit the biker.
Then the bikers started destroying the tires, hitting the van.
The rider of the van was scared, and drove off, hurting several bikers in the process.
This video is used as evidence to find the alleged criminals, and put them behind bars.
Sorry, but the bikers where at fault, not the rider in this case. They surrounded the car, threatened him, and formed a group of over an x amount of persons (usually 10 or more need police escort), which is not allowed by law without police escort.
My opinion, keep it clean guys!
One of the reasons why I don't get a sports bike, is because they're too much associated with hot heads. Cruisers used to be, in the seventies, but for a while cruisers have been for the peaceful riders. If they start using cruisers, I'm switching to naked bikes.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 1, 2013 19:13:39 GMT -5
No matter what the circumstances, there is no defense for that kind of behavior.From all the news reports I hear, The guys on the bikes were the agressors. The one who cut him off has been charged with reckless endangerment of a child among other things,I am absolutely flabberghasted that any of you would think the driver did anything to deserve that!!!Society has sunken to new all time lows. Agreed. No excuse. None, zero. I don't care what happened pack animal activity should be treated as the crime it is. Very luck it was NY. Here some bikers would have been shot. |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Oct 1, 2013 19:55:05 GMT -5
Did you see the part of the video where the young motorbiker pulled in front the SUV and slammed on his brakes? The SUV had no way to avoid an accident because there were motorcycles on either side of him. The young motorbiker ignited the physical part of the conflict, according to the footage on CNN.
Carry a pistol and used it when you must.
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Post by domindart on Oct 1, 2013 21:12:52 GMT -5
damn hoolagins
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Post by SylvreKat on Oct 1, 2013 22:08:32 GMT -5
I think what freefour was saying is that before the video, the SUV driver hit one of the bikers. Then we see in the video when moron very purposefully slowed before the SUV to get hit. "Very purposefully" because he's looking back to see where SUV's bumper is so he can judge and be ready for the impact.. However, that's where my agreement with freefour ends. I don't care if SUV hit a biker on purpose. We still have laws in this country, and we aren't reduced to vigilante justice. The correct action for the bikers was to tail the guy while someone called 911 and reported his license plate. Even Mums heard about this, and said that happens to her she's running over bikes and sorry but her and her family's safety must come first. And my Mom is NOT a violent nor aggressive person (wonder where I got it from then). Me, I don't own a gun but I've got a sharpened lightning rod that'll punch holes in chests and throats pretty damn good. And yes, I've practised with it. Meanwhile and totally off the subject, but at 2:28 is that REALLY a scooter the guy in the red and white shirt's driving? >'Kat, thinking that maybe packing one of my swords in the car wouldn't be terrible idea.... And liking how Camera Moron directed the others' actions, yet conveniently kept back (at one point, ALL the way back!) out of the action. What a brave leader  |
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