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by: spandi - Sept 12, 2013 23:28:26 GMT -5
Post by spandi on Sept 12, 2013 23:28:26 GMT -5
First off there is NO COMPARISON between Chinese OEM and aftermarket tires such as Michelin or Pirelli. (like comparing foam rubber to cowhide) I also get a higher speed rating than I'll use. (more speed =better built tire) Also I wouldn't dismiss the fact that rubber can degrade over time, the newer tire, the better.
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by: rockynv - Sept 13, 2013 4:14:06 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 13, 2013 4:14:06 GMT -5
howdy--i don't need anyone making more rules for me in favor of the people that manufacture and sell the required items. bozz off Ha! My thoughts exactly... If the rubber looks good, run it! The only way to fully see if a tire is good properly is to dismount the tire and check the casing from the inside however you need to have the training and experience to know what you are looking for. 5 year old tires that have been sitting in warehouses and never been used before "look good" are being sold as new tires however history shows that they fail regularly killing people despite the highly misleading good looks. The "if it looks good" mentality is what is killing people.
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 16, 2013 8:07:56 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 16, 2013 8:07:56 GMT -5
News flash: nobody has an actual limit on tire age! Not the DOT, and not even the FAA! Yes, 15 year old tires on airline are perfectly legal!
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 16, 2013 8:13:49 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 16, 2013 8:13:49 GMT -5
Do you have any proof of this ? If that's true, then I'll be constantly replacing pretty unused tires with comparatively low miles. Car and bike. >'Kat There is a warehouse full of rolled over cars and binned bikes in Tallahassee to prove it. The State is being pressured to pass legislature to prevent tire dealers from selling new or used tires that have date stamps over 5 years old for cars and 2 years old for bikes. Too many folks have been dying on our highways due to the old tires
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by: rockynv - Sept 17, 2013 4:34:55 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 17, 2013 4:34:55 GMT -5
It started in California due to roadway fatalities due to old tires being sold as new and is being pushed in Florida due to the same problem. It is a well known issue and most reputable tire dealers have voluntairally held to this for years. The issue of tires over 5/6 years of age killing people and being the root cause of many traffic accidents has been well documented through the years. How many times do people have to research the most current info and repost it before it sinks in. Remember just because something is not illegal yet does not make it a reasonable or responsible thing to do. Where I grew up you could easily get tire tubes and such discarded by the major airlines as the tires and tubes were deemed unsafe after 5 years or a preset amount of takeoffs/landings as set by the manufacturers of the aircraft. Not following the safe maintenance sched published by the aircrafts maker is an offense and is regulated. This is all I have time for this morning however there is very much more: www.safetyresearch.net/2009/05/01/srs-tire-age-bill/
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 17, 2013 5:22:59 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 17, 2013 5:22:59 GMT -5
In other words: you have no proof of any sort whatsoever, and are simply bloviating.
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by: rockynv - Sept 17, 2013 12:25:30 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 17, 2013 12:25:30 GMT -5
In other words: you have no proof of any sort whatsoever, and are simply bloviating. Reams of info just no time to collect it all and keep it up to date. I will start puting it into a Word doc and just keep reposting the information as the need arises. Been through this exercise too many times providing irrefutable documentation. Anyway no real tiime to spend on Internet Bullies. Hopefully your off comments won't encourage too many to take risks with their own as well as their families well being..
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by: scootnwinn - Sept 17, 2013 12:36:19 GMT -5
Post by scootnwinn on Sept 17, 2013 12:36:19 GMT -5
I guess Jarlaxle has never seen a dry rotted tire. Strange, you must not get out much...
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 17, 2013 14:37:55 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 17, 2013 14:37:55 GMT -5
Of course I have. I have also seen ten year old tires I would use in a second! I judge tires by CONDITION, not some arbitrary age. One tire on my Jeep in 9 years old, and you could NOT tell which one without checking the date codes!
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by: rockynv - Sept 18, 2013 4:34:16 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 18, 2013 4:34:16 GMT -5
My advice comes from my Dad who worked for 47 years in the tire and rubber industry as a engineer getting his masters degree in engineering from MIT in 1927 and from my uncle who worked with my dad and was in charge of maintaining the Vulcanizers used to temper the rubber formulations used in the tires to get the best combination of hardness and resistance to breakdown. Personal experience when my brother and I worked in the auto service industry and got to see first hand how tires aged and the amount of wrecks towed in that had been in roll over accidents due to 5+ year old tires that had tread separations and zippered blowouts. Personal experience with used vehicles having one that I had purchased with 4 year old tires which I planned to replace the tires on even though they looked new from the outside at the 5 year mark. Even though they were properly inflated, looked new and had plenty of tread left the long life GoodYears had tread seperation running at 60 mph on the expressway. Thankfully it was a rear tire on a dual wheeled truck so there was no roll-over or loss of control. Visual external inspection of a tire is misleading and gives a false impression of the tires condition. You have to dismount it and physically check for issues in the casing tread and sidewall. Reading the current local news reports of vehicle roll-overs due to failures of 5+ year old tires. Due to property damage and loss of life the state of Florida is currently looking into passing similar regs as California to combat the loss of life due to folks being cheated and sold 5+ year old unsafe tires. While Michelin claimes there tires can last ten years you have to dismount them for inspection every year after 5 to verify their safety by inspecting the inside of the casing. This is cost prohibitive plus the act of remounting the old tire could cause a failure too. SafeCar.gov and NHTSA recommends erring on the side of caution and replacing tires when they are 6 years old. www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shoppers/Tires/Tires+Rating/Tire+AgingMy recommendation is to err on the side of caution which will save lives while the more cavalier approach of running them if they look good from the outside has historically caused property damage and the loss of life in a good percentage of the the 11,000 tow away incidents recorded as due to running old tires which does not account for fatalities that were due to running old tires but not reported to NHTSA as such. I use to know the then president of the US Flight Engineers Union and would get the tires and tubes from him that they would remove after they had gone through the published number of takeoff/landing cycles or years of ageing/safe use allowed for them. The tires were used for retaining swales in landscaping, planters or swings and the tubes as beach floats or under floating swim platforms. Kids can have a lot of fun with a tire tube from a large commercial airplane.
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by: danno - Sept 18, 2013 5:59:02 GMT -5
Post by danno on Sept 18, 2013 5:59:02 GMT -5
Of course I have. I have also seen ten year old tires I would use in a second! I judge tires by CONDITION, not some arbitrary age. One tire on my Jeep in 9 years old, and you could NOT tell which one without checking the date codes! Was your check done by inspecting the inside of the tire?
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by: bobshaw - Sept 18, 2013 11:19:39 GMT -5
Post by bobshaw on Sept 18, 2013 11:19:39 GMT -5
Admittedly rhetorical question, If the age of the tire is so important, which I believe it is, why do the manufacturers, and DOT make it so you have to cypher the code to determine the date. Why isn't it clearly identified on the tires?
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by: scootnwinn - Sept 18, 2013 11:34:36 GMT -5
Post by scootnwinn on Sept 18, 2013 11:34:36 GMT -5
[replyingto=bobshaw]bobshaw[/replyingto]Because in all reality they hate you. Don't worry they hate all of us. They only want our money...
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by: danno - Sept 18, 2013 13:03:30 GMT -5
Post by danno on Sept 18, 2013 13:03:30 GMT -5
Admittedly rhetorical question, If the age of the tire is so important, which I believe it is, why do the manufacturers, and DOT make it so you have to cypher the code to determine the date. Why isn't it clearly identified on the tires? The DOT makes it so you have to "cypher the code to determine the date?" The last four digits represent the week and year the tire was manufactured. It's pretty simple How would you suggest they come up with a better system? Just wondering
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by: spandi - Sept 18, 2013 13:25:06 GMT -5
Post by spandi on Sept 18, 2013 13:25:06 GMT -5
I want my tires so new they're still warm from Vulcanizing.
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