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by: teskow - Sept 21, 2013 19:40:50 GMT -5
Post by teskow on Sept 21, 2013 19:40:50 GMT -5
I live in tucson Arizona. You would be surprised at what the sun and heat can do to a tire sitting outside in five years. You may think twice about driving on it at freeway speeds for hours on end.
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 21, 2013 19:47:23 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 21, 2013 19:47:23 GMT -5
And the result of a tire in the Arizona sun for five (or even three) years will generally be pretty obvious!
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by: rockynv - Sept 22, 2013 7:22:04 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 22, 2013 7:22:04 GMT -5
They have expiration dates for propane cylinders made of steel and yet people are amazed that rubber and fabric tyres have a finite life expectacy in years. Yet many people that would not buy and 5 year old fan belt for their drill press or lawn mower will ride on ancient tires. A clearly stamped expiration date and last day for sale would take all the flimflam out of it. Even regroovable tires should have an expiration date on the casing as there is no real sense in regrooving a casing with only a few months safe use left in it. The problem is that many in the sales end of the new and used tire business do not want people to know this information or to be held to public scrutiny for their practices. God and goddess, are you making things up for the "fun" of it?! No, there is no "expiration date" on a propane tank! There is a date after whichg the certification has expired and it must be reinspected! After that is done, it is good for another ten (eight?) years! Also note: one tank on my uncle's torch is date-stamped 1947! The last argon tank he had for his MIG welder was produced (for the Navy) in the 20's. There are many gas cylinders in use that are close to 100 years old. And yes, I WOULD buy a 5-year-old fan belt. A common portable propane tank that is used on most patio or portable equipment must be inspected on a fixed time schedule however after so many years it must be replaced. The only exceptions are ASME certified or other permanent vessles.
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 22, 2013 7:26:59 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 22, 2013 7:26:59 GMT -5
FALSE! As long as it passes inspection, it can be recertified and reused indefinitely!
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by: rockynv - Sept 22, 2013 10:23:34 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 22, 2013 10:23:34 GMT -5
FALSE! As long as it passes inspection, it can be recertified and reused indefinitely! Fed minimum is to inspect at 12 years then dropping to a 5 year recert with a finite amount of practical recerts being possible however State regulation many times are more strict. In Florida State law superceeds the Fed and puts it on a tighter schedule with the tanks that are not under ASME regs out of service after 10 years and the propane station will not refill them. I just purchased a tank from the local propane refill station that was already 2 years old sitting on the shelf so they took 25% off the price of the tank to compensate for it only having 8 years usefull life left in it. I have been given a number of used tanks by folks that were moving away, had deaths in the family, etc and I have been turned down on refill many times since the tanks were past the last date of recertification. There is then the disposal fee to be dealt with too which may be the reason some of these folks gave the tanks away so they would not be stuck with something that the had to pay to get rid of. That is not accounting for tanks rejected because they still had the old style Prestolite valve on them. Note that the recert process when allowable can also cost you more than the value of the tank. It would be an intersting concept to not be allowed to refill tires with air yourself and have the refiller keep track of tire date codes and safety recertifications just like at a propane tank refill station. In Massachusetts where they had State Safety inspections it was out of your hands as you could fail for tire issues including under inflated, cracked, unevenly worn or being out of date by the states standards. Maybe where you live things are a bit more wild and left to chance however many of us live where the state has stepped in where it finds Federal Regulation lacking to mitigate loss of property and life from unethical businesses selling potentially unsafe products with the state erring on the side of caution. I know that when I first moved to Florida and found out things were allowed here that you would not get away with in Massachusettes it felt like I was moving to a third world country. Just on the difference with what a bank could get away with on holding paychecks for deposit for weeks was a surprise when in other states they would have to deposite the funds immediatly and go after the employer for writting bad pay checks instead of penalizing the employee.
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 22, 2013 13:48:32 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 22, 2013 13:48:32 GMT -5
I work in Massachusetts...and note: one trailer at work has passed multiple inspections wearing 10.00-20 tube tires from 1997 and 1999.
Do you replace your tires every year?
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by: rockynv - Sept 22, 2013 20:17:58 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 22, 2013 20:17:58 GMT -5
I work in Massachusetts...and note: one trailer at work has passed multiple inspections wearing 10.00-20 tube tires from 1997 and 1999. Do you replace your tires every year? What you can get away with and even I could get away with in Massachusetts even if the law does not pinch you will not work in many other parts of the country due to the diversity of climate. What you might get away with in some New England states, Washington State, Montana, Michigan and other states on the Canadian border isn't a good practice for most other parts of the country. In Florida I plan on changing my tires on roadway vehicles every 5 years regardless of how new they look. The only time I cheated and pushed a tire that "Looked New" past 5 years it had a tread seperation on the Interstate in Southern Florida at 5 1/2 years. That was a properly inflated 12 ply 245/70-19.5 GoodYear 670 with extra carbon black in the casing formulation to promote long life which is a tire specifically designed for interstate travel in hot climates and it still did not make it past 5 years here in the South. I was trying to save up a bit more before having to invest a few thousand dollars on new tires for that vehicle. I put a lesser set of tires on that were not formulated as well for our climate and although they "Looked New" the casings started to fail and herniate between the tread ribs after 3 years use in Southern Florida. Many of our rollover accidents here in the Deep South are by vacationers from the New England States or Canada that do not have a clue what hot semi-tropical roads and interstate travel can do to old out dated tires especially if their rubber compounds are a regional formulation targeting the Canadian border states. There is a whole different climate system once you get past Maryland/Virginia and what you might get away with north of that won't work out very well points South.
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 22, 2013 21:26:16 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 22, 2013 21:26:16 GMT -5
Is Arlington, Texas far enough south? My father in law ran the 2012 Power Tour in his Trans Am...had no trouble with his 8+ year old front tires, even during a 10+ mile high-speed run in degree heat in that 4000lb car. (The tires are still on the car, though they will be replaced due to wear before next year's Tour.) Following your logic, you should replace your tires every year.
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by: rockynv - Sept 24, 2013 12:26:38 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 24, 2013 12:26:38 GMT -5
Is Arlington, Texas far enough south? My father in law ran the 2012 Power Tour in his Trans Am...had no trouble with his 8+ year old front tires, even during a 10+ mile high-speed run in degree heat in that 4000lb car. (The tires are still on the car, though they will be replaced due to wear before next year's Tour.) Following your logic, you should replace your tires every year. You keep trolling with that one even though the answer hasn't changed. You dad rolled the dice and did not come up snake eyes and should count his blessings. People are not always that lucky. I have pretty consistantly said past 5 years you are taking a chance and are pushing it. Not once did I endorce or imply an annual change. Once I mentioned that I had three year old tires that were constantly run here fail even thought they looked new with plenty of tread on them. There are many high risk activities that you can endorse and engage in with the simple truth being that eventually you will get bit and won't continue to get away with it.
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by: scootnwinn - Sept 24, 2013 12:50:06 GMT -5
Post by scootnwinn on Sept 24, 2013 12:50:06 GMT -5
Dude (aka Jarlaxle) leave it already. You are not in the area of best practices here. We have all done things in the past that were unsafe and lived through it. That in no way means it's a good idea. If you can't wear out a set of tires on a motorcycle every year just sell the freaking thing. If you want to run old tires on your car, truck, trailer or whatever, do it. If you can with clear conscience recommend people do that on their bikes that is irresponsible at best. When you have a tire fail on a car you pull over and put the spare on. It's a much bigger (or more deadly) event if it happens on a bike. Leave this alone already. Regardless of what you or your dad or cousin or cousin's sister's boyfriend's mom did, running old tires on a bike is unwise. You should not recommend any one do it. I'm not sure why you are...
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 26, 2013 19:56:15 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 26, 2013 19:56:15 GMT -5
Is Arlington, Texas far enough south? My father in law ran the 2012 Power Tour in his Trans Am...had no trouble with his 8+ year old front tires, even during a 10+ mile high-speed run in degree heat in that 4000lb car. (The tires are still on the car, though they will be replaced due to wear before next year's Tour.) Following your logic, you should replace your tires every year. You keep trolling with that one even though the answer hasn't changed. You dad rolled the dice and did not come up snake eyes and should count his blessings. People are not always that lucky. I have pretty consistantly said past 5 years you are taking a chance and are pushing it. Not once did I endorce or imply an annual change. Once I mentioned that I had three year old tires that were constantly run here fail even thought they looked new with plenty of tread on them. There are many high risk activities that you can endorse and engage in with the simple truth being that eventually you will get bit and won't continue to get away with it. Again: following that logic, why don't you replace your tires every year?
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 26, 2013 19:57:18 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 26, 2013 19:57:18 GMT -5
Dude (aka Jarlaxle) leave it already. You are not in the area of best practices here. We have all done things in the past that were unsafe and lived through it. That in no way means it's a good idea. If you can't wear out a set of tires on a motorcycle every year just sell the freaking thing. If you want to run old tires on your car, truck, trailer or whatever, do it. If you can with clear conscience recommend people do that on their bikes that is irresponsible at best. When you have a tire fail on a car you pull over and put the spare on. It's a much bigger (or more deadly) event if it happens on a bike. Leave this alone already. Regardless of what you or your dad or cousin or cousin's sister's boyfriend's mom did, running old tires on a bike is unwise. You should not recommend any one do it. I'm not sure why you are... I haven't. I was and am simply pointing out to the Chicken Littles that the sky is NOT falling!
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by: scootnwinn - Sept 26, 2013 20:04:20 GMT -5
Post by scootnwinn on Sept 26, 2013 20:04:20 GMT -5
I have seen the sky fall. I spent a long time in both a Motorcycle and a tire shop. Old tires fail in spectacular ways its not fiction. Just because you haven't doesn't mean it won't.
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by: rockynv - Sept 27, 2013 4:33:13 GMT -5
Post by rockynv on Sept 27, 2013 4:33:13 GMT -5
I haven't. I was and am simply pointing out to the Chicken Littles that the sky is NOT falling! You are encouraging something known to DOT, Firestone, Uniroyal, Goodyear, California, Florida, MSF and the list goes on to cause loss of property and life. It is irresposible to promote the " if it looks good from the outside run it" mentality as that is just not a best practice especailly on a 2 wheeled motor vehicle. People that have seen first hand what can happen by taking liberties running old tires will know better than to follow this extremely bad advice and hope the unknowing won't take what you are promoting to heart and suffer a catastrophic loss. Others that you will probably remain blind to can end up paying dearly for following what you are promoting. Even if it is only 1 person in 1,000 has a catastrophic event from this how many deaths just amoung the members or non-member viewers of this board could one have on their conscience? 2, 5, 10 or more? That is what you have to consider when promoting streatching things and not following best practice.
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by: Jarlaxle - Sept 28, 2013 7:30:17 GMT -5
Post by Jarlaxle on Sept 28, 2013 7:30:17 GMT -5
Again: following that logic, why don't you replace your tires every year? Newer tires are better, right?
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