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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 15, 2017 23:27:47 GMT -5
Ehhh. Its 2.99 a gallon for dedicated pumps of e free gas down here in broward and miami. My old man says to use it in everything small and thigs that go in the water. He said for big cars its kind of a waste and up to personal choice. ... Depends on the age of your car. My old Taurie was a '92. He was NOT designed for any crapanol gas. When the newest QT opened, they had dedicated nozzles for clean gas (regular octane). I filled him with it, ran him almost empty, filled again, repeated about six times. I figured at that point what crapanol remained was so diluted it didn't matter, and filled him as normal, usually somewhere between half and quarter left. His mileage went from around 16 mpg (12 if I used Concoco/Phillips gas) to 18-20. And a customer who worked in the gas industry (don't remember doing what, that was YEARS ago) told me when I ranted against e10, that "there isn't one car on the road today that can't run perfectly fine on e10." I told him I had a '92 Taurus wagon. His suggestion was, "Uh, find clean gas." Yeah, that's what I already thought. So not necessarily a waste for big cars. >'Kat |
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Post by w650 on Nov 17, 2017 18:39:38 GMT -5
When I lived in Delaware County, NY I had several stations with non-ethanol to choose from. I tried it though it was $0.60 a gallon more expensive. I didn't notice any difference in performance. Now I didn't use it enough to see if it worked in the long term, but I will tell you this. I will not fill up at stations with a gas tanker unloading or even just on site. Stirred up tanks are your worst enemy. I can't help but wonder how many ethanol problems stem from goop stirred up during station tank refill.
In all the years of ethanol being around not one of my bikes has ever choked or slimed up on it.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Nov 17, 2017 19:06:24 GMT -5
Never burned anything but E10 in my Burg or my Helix (it's all that is available here). I use Sta-Bil for winter storage...no trouble.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Nov 17, 2017 19:09:09 GMT -5
You don't want to run it in carbed cars, it ruins everything rubber, rubber fuel lines,carb gaskets,fuel pump parts etc, it also destroys a lot of plastic or nylon parts. On top of that it loosens up the years of gunk at the bottom if the fuel tank, and it ends up in your fuel system . I have run many carbuerated vehicles on E10, and have had none of those problems. The sky is NOT falling. |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Nov 17, 2017 19:11:11 GMT -5
Ehhh. Its 2.99 a gallon for dedicated pumps of e free gas down here in broward and miami. My old man says to use it in everything small and thigs that go in the water. He said for big cars its kind of a waste and up to personal choice. ... Depends on the age of your car. My old Taurie was a '92. He was NOT designed for any crapanol gas. When the newest QT opened, they had dedicated nozzles for clean gas (regular octane). I filled him with it, ran him almost empty, filled again, repeated about six times. I figured at that point what crapanol remained was so diluted it didn't matter, and filled him as normal, usually somewhere between half and quarter left. His mileage went from around 16 mpg (12 if I used Concoco/Phillips gas) to 18-20. And a customer who worked in the gas industry (don't remember doing what, that was YEARS ago) told me when I ranted against e10, that "there isn't one car on the road today that can't run perfectly fine on e10." I told him I had a '92 Taurus wagon. His suggestion was, "Uh, find clean gas." Yeah, that's what I already thought. So not necessarily a waste for big cars. >'Kat Factually incorrect. By 1992, everything was designed to run E10. (Most cars were by the mid-80's.) If yours did not, something else was wrong. I have put hundreds of thousands of miles on cars older than 1992 on E10 without a problem. |
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 17, 2017 21:47:00 GMT -5
You don't want to run it in carbed cars, it ruins everything rubber, rubber fuel lines,carb gaskets,fuel pump parts etc, it also destroys a lot of plastic or nylon parts. On top of that it loosens up the years of gunk at the bottom if the fuel tank, and it ends up in your fuel system . I have run many carbuerated vehicles on E10, and have had none of those problems. The sky is NOT falling. you've been lucky, there are many many documented cases of damage from these fuels, I've done plenty of repairs myself. It's not a case of the sky is falling, it's a case of the solvent properties of ethanol and the fact that even a small amount of water will cause it to phase separate, small engine and marine manufacturers refusing to honor warranties from the use of ethanol are based on science and damage history |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Nov 18, 2017 20:36:47 GMT -5
. I have run many carbuerated vehicles on E10, and have had none of those problems. The sky is NOT falling. you've been lucky, there are many many documented cases of damage from these fuels, I've done plenty of repairs myself. It's not a case of the sky is falling, it's a case of the solvent properties of ethanol and the fact that even a small amount of water will cause it to phase separate, small engine and marine manufacturers refusing to honor warranties from the use of ethanol are based on science and damage history Naah. They are based on shoddy products, which should probably be recalled and destroyed if they cannot handle E10 fuel. Considering it has been common for over 20 years, there is absolutely no excuse for it. If it cannot run E10 without a problem, it should not be permitted to be sold in the United States, and any that were sold should be recalled, and repaired or replaced free of charge. |
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Post by cyborg55 on Nov 19, 2017 0:54:57 GMT -5
I’ve run it in all my vehicles for years,,, even my  e150 van,,, no problems in any fuel systems |
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Post by chewbaca on Nov 19, 2017 2:08:58 GMT -5
my bike handles e10 just fine
but it runs a little bit lean with a little less power and a gallon won't last as long
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Post by cyborg55 on Nov 19, 2017 10:10:01 GMT -5
my bike handles e10 just fine but it runs a little bit lean with a little less power and a gallon won't last as long That's my observation to a T,,,,,,minor drop in mpg,,,and a minor drop in power,,,there's one station that sells actual race gasoline at the pump,,,it's crazy stupid expensive,,,I'll run a tank every now and again,,,(read 2x a year maybe),,there is a noticeable difference ,,,but I've had no degradation of any rubber hoses or parts ,,,, |
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Post by Jarlaxle on Nov 19, 2017 12:43:54 GMT -5
Mine runs fine on E10...no detectable power difference, very slight loss in mileage. Note that my Burgman is EXPLICITLY designed for E10 fuel, as all engines made in the last 25 years should be.
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 19, 2017 14:36:19 GMT -5
Of course it's Japanese, the chinese use the cheapest possible materials in their fuel systems
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 19, 2017 17:28:52 GMT -5
Factually incorrect. By 1992, everything was designed to run E10. (Most cars were by the mid-80's.) If yours did not, something else was wrong. I have put hundreds of thousands of miles on cars older than 1992 on E10 without a problem. Actually, everything I found online back then said cars pre-1995ish (?) weren't designed for more than just a small percentage of ethanol if any. I'm not totally sure of that year as I researched this around 2005 when there was all the buzz about some energy bill being passed to pretty much make e10 as the standard. And since I switched to clean gas, I didn't make a point of saving that knowledge into my brain. But hey, maybe my math is wacky. I'm a blonde, it's so hard to divide miles by gallons put in, even with a calculator. So yeah, I'm sure I'm wrong when I look in my Taurie's old mileage book (yes, I kept it--I figured the kid could start his own. I also kept the ciggy lighter too. And the cargo net but that wasn't on purpose) and see his mpg change pre-clean vs after several fill-ups post. And I even switched from good stations (Shell or BP) to QT (buys from whoever is cheapest at the time, so who knows it might've even been Conoco/Phillips) Maybe it was because I DIDN'T drive lots. When I sold him in 2015 () he had about 198k miles on him. He started in '97 with near-80k. You can do the math and see how little I drive. Or maybe it's since I'm not mechanical. I obviously would have no clue if something was wrong with my car, right? That's why once when I took him in to my mech and his guy didn't find anything wrong, Dave didn't tell him "If Kathy says something's wrong with her car, then something's wrong with her car. She knows her car. Go check it again." (oh, wait, that's EXACTLY what he told him) And the guy ran some additional test that usually is a waste without obvious symptoms, and found some little minor thing that had gone wrong, that so barely affected how Taurie handled that the guy didn't feel anything wrong when he test-drove. And yet I did feel it. So.Bite.Me. For assuming that just because I'm not mechanical I wouldn't know my car's running. For assuming I didn't research how ethanol would affect my beloved Taurie. For assuming I just pulled this out of my ttub. |
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 19, 2017 17:48:17 GMT -5
And by the way, if I'd found much of anything that implied my 1992 could handle 10% crap, I wouldn't have bothered to switch. I'm basically a lazy 'Kat. It really was a bit of hassle to switch Taurie out. More, it was incredibly scary driving a car with an inaccurate gas gauge (it lied low, which was better than lying high I suppose) down into the red. On purpose. But I knew my car and had it figured to a "big" gallon left each time. (edit--sorry, I supposedly didn't know my car, I guess it was dumb luck I hit near one gallon left every fill-up during the switchover) And it cost more to fill him up with clean vs e10. 7-9 gallons x I think 50¢ (it's been almost two years  , so again that unneeded memory is gone) every week really added up. I WOULD NOT HAVE BOTHERED. Got it? Good. |
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 19, 2017 20:17:56 GMT -5
the owners manual in my 86 Honda Accord warns about using oxygenated (corn) fuels, and says it could cause severe damage to fuel system components
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e150 van,,, no problems in any fuel systems 
