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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 11, 2017 14:17:09 GMT -5
i am so tired of you that video says exactly the same thing i just did you did not even bother to read my post before jumping to discredit me i am going to report this nonsense my patients is done. I read your post, and no one jumped to discredit you or said anything negative to you, I simply answered your post explaining that it's not possible to remove the ethanol from the gas, what you end up with is not fit to run in an engine, that's not an opinion, that's science and a fact. |
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Post by chewbaca on Nov 11, 2017 16:25:14 GMT -5
i am going to try one more time.
ethanol has an octane rating of 100 when pure
if mixed at 10% with gas it behaves as if its octane is 112
its ordinary math
one unit of 92 with 10% 112
that means 92 × 10 - 112 ÷ 9 = X
X = the new octane number 9O.755 gas
still better than mid-grade gas
big boom suuuure
low octane and high octane ethanol gas have the same 10% ethanol that means the the octane for high test gas come from multiple chemicals.
ethanol is the cheapest not the best
you can buy octane boosting chemicals enuff for 2 points on ten gallons cost about $5. or 50¢ a gallon
thats 92.8 octane after everything is ready to go in the tank
THAT is fact backed up by a university video and YOUR video
so please I am asking
check your facts
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Post by SylvreKat on Nov 12, 2017 12:42:04 GMT -5
I don't care if separating ethanol from gas works or not. It just seems like way more work than adding fuel stabilizer each fill-up. Or octane booster if you have low-oct clean gas. Or driving 23 miles for hi-oct clean gas. There's lots of other stuff I'd rather do than spritzing my crapanol with water.
>'Kat
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Post by chewbaca on Nov 12, 2017 13:16:56 GMT -5
yea pretty much, you do what is going to work best for you. I just use e10 myself (PHX is not very humid) but when the vehicle in question can get up to 100 mpg a five gallon batch of home treated gas can be worth doing if the nearest clean gas is  miles away and ethanol is bad for your particular bike I find that I am thinking of doing a batch just because it runs a little richer when I do and its winter soon better for the cold even if I don't really need to my current scooter  runs well on mid-grade so i can skip the last step |
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Post by chewbaca on Nov 13, 2017 16:06:27 GMT -5
I was wondering what can be done with the ethanol from
the gas its gonna be about fifty percent water after extraction
i thought why not test for the actual numbers and sell it to boost heads. Methanol and ethanol work similar to each other in alcohol injection systems and all the contamination in the waste ethanol are things that are supposed to go in a motor.
and boost heads like 50/50.
I think $3.50 a gallon for 50/50 boost mix is sellable
another possibility is window washer fluid
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Post by hillbillybob on Nov 14, 2017 10:15:42 GMT -5
I was wondering what can be done with the ethanol from the gas its gonna be about fifty percent water after extraction i thought why not test for the actual numbers and sell it to boost heads. Methanol and ethanol work similar to each other in alcohol injection systems and all the contamination in the waste ethanol are things that are supposed to go in a motor. and boost heads like 50/50. I think $3.50 a gallon for 50/50 boost mix is sellable another possibility is window washer fluid Since it's just water and corn alcohol.... It might make a tasty, adult, beverage. Well, maybe not tasty, but one that will get you, where you want to be..  |
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 14, 2017 12:31:24 GMT -5
10 percent ethenol gas is not 110 octane, it's the octane listed at the pump. The ethenol replaces the mtbe to bring the octane to the desired level. When you remove the ethenol, you yet gas full of water,which is lower then even 87, it's about 70 octane, telling people you'll get mid grade gas is going to cause someone to detonate a hole through a piston
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 14, 2017 12:34:36 GMT -5
Window washer fluid is methanol , and yes you can run it in a methanol injection system for boosted engines,or high compression, lots of people tap their washer reservoir
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Post by chewbaca on Nov 14, 2017 13:23:23 GMT -5
10 percent ethenol gas is not 110 octane, it's the octane listed at the pump. The ethenol replaces the mtbe to bring the octane to the desired level. When you remove the ethenol, you yet gas full of water,which is lower then even 87, it's about 70 octane, telling people you'll get mid grade gas is going to cause someone to detonate a hole through a piston you know what? if you cant provide a reference for your wacky math you can just be silent on the subject of octane. you have proven to me you are ignorant of chemistry. and I have concerns about your reading comprehension you are not paying any attention to what I am actually saying. so back it up or shut it up |
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 14, 2017 14:41:00 GMT -5
I have already answered in the posts I put up,go back and watch the video, you stated that e10 is 110 octane, you are not going to get 110 out of a pump that's race gas,and it has no ethenol. Why not just buy pure gas to start with? It stores just fine with a fuel stabilizer.
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 14, 2017 14:52:58 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be ugly towards you,or hateful,but you are spreading bad information that can lead to someone damaging their bike, it's a technical argument,it's not personal towards you.
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Post by chewbaca on Nov 14, 2017 18:32:38 GMT -5
ok fine, you cant read either no need to beat me in the head with it.
what I said was ethanol is 100 octane when pure.
ok got that ?
"when mixed with gas at 10% it behaves as if it is 112 octane.
ok, now, the structure of the sentence above precludes gas from being the thing that is 112 octane leaving the ethanol as the only remaining subject matter.
the 9O.7 octane gas that is mixed with the ethanol gets its octane boosted by a little less than 2
9 parts of 9O.7 gas and 1 part 112 ethanol
[9×9O.7+112]÷10=X
or
[9×87+112]÷10=X
or
[9×68+112]÷10=X
X= the new boosted octane number
do you see how the ethanol has a larger effect on very low octane gas? That means it has a small effect on high octane
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Post by mrsunsett on Nov 15, 2017 16:44:06 GMT -5
Ehhh. Its 2.99 a gallon for dedicated pumps of e free gas down here in broward and miami. My old man says to use it in everything small and thigs that go in the water.
He said for big cars its kind of a waste and up to personal choice.
I put it in the bike and after about 3 days of riding.... ide say the bike purrs better (lower tone from the engine at about 45 crusing speed)
Other than that.... no difference... i do not ride this 250 as much tho... maybe once every 2 or 3 weeks... trying to sell it.. sp the e free gas in it is better when it sits.
Thanks guys
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Post by mrsunsett on Nov 15, 2017 16:46:06 GMT -5
The bigger difference i saw was in my shitty 4 stroke 125 cc chinese pit bike grom clone .... But being that its carb and not fuel injected. It makes sense  |
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Post by lostforawhile on Nov 15, 2017 16:55:07 GMT -5
You don't want to run it in carbed cars, it ruins everything rubber, rubber fuel lines,carb gaskets,fuel pump parts etc, it also destroys a lot of plastic or nylon parts. On top of that it loosens up the years of gunk at the bottom if the fuel tank, and it ends up in your fuel system
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