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Post by imnts2 on Feb 22, 2014 13:47:52 GMT -5
Some of us are stuck with almost having to ride the I-state some. In my case to get the 8 miles from my house to Sam/s (for example ) I need to ride 5 miles of I 10 with traffic typically running 80 MPH+. I typically set my cruise at a pretty accurate 65 MPH with the Subaru and hug the right lane enjoying the radio and around 30 mpg but when I ride the scoot I feel unconformable watching the 16 wheelers bearing down on me very quickly (and darned scared by 4 Wheeler's so I tend to run closer to a real 80 MPH. Of course since I have driven a bit for a living, I tend to try to be helpful to the 16 wheelers.. I have seen far to many 4 wheelers pull onto a crowded I-State at under 60 and slowly accelerate causing a lot of taillight's to light up. Not only are they risking their lives, they are being darn arrogant in my book.
My alternative it to change the 8 mile run to over 20 miles to still end up running a lot of 55MPH busy road with most traffic running 65 or so.
And pulling off without a paved shoulder at speed is not my idea of safer around here. Lots of not perfect paving. I dropped once at just above walking speed turning onto a side road because of a handful of sand and very small gravel on the road bed. Over and over people run over motorcycles riding with lights on and wearing highway workers hazard clothing and claim they did not see the rider.
Say what you like, on a 2 wheeler I insist being able to stay with traffic, wear all the protective gear I can stand and do all I can to be visible and even look a little shaky. I really like riding but I also like getting home safely. And over 40 MPH I have about the same wind noise I have at 60- 70.. There are darned few places I feel safe on a 150 4t. A 150 with EFI and water cooled and some 150 2t are capable of staying out of the way on most state highways and short runs on the I-state. Most 250's are OK for a few miles of I states. For longer rides on the I-state I want more than an ordinary 250.
Just imho.
Cheers
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 22, 2014 13:06:42 GMT -5
It has been awhile since I have been here. I am the fool who recommended shipping the engine to Vietnam and have it built right. I have a 250 CC Hoffman motorcycle restored in Saigon awhile back.. Got awesome work as a very good price. anyway, I do agree with your rational for doing it. As long as you know it is a 20-30 mph smoker when you get it done, It will not run with the smokers you typically see being used in the Orient.
Glad to see you are still working at it. Re the paint work, you can do the priming yourself without much concern. I would consider using almost any brand self etching primer. Most Auto paint stores can help you select materials
Sorry the new parts were so expensive. the real cost of restoration is often terrible. Hope you find some thing more fun and lees expensive to get you off the computer some of the time..
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 22, 2014 12:40:54 GMT -5
I am with Doug.
At least, go ahead and pull your engine, take it apart (with lots of pictures) and interview a few old machine shops. I don't know where you are, but you need someone to check out the shaft/con rod and those bearings. I know who I would consult here and I have always had pretty good luck finding a good shop any where I am at. Go to a few new car dealers and ask there service manager or parts manage who he uses for machine work.
Getting a new piston perhaps .010 over should be no problem. Use real Honda stuff, Not that all Chinese parts are poor but it is hard to know what is not and the original engine was a pretty good long lasting one
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These are GOOD scoots that run well and reliably for a long while so I would do it very well.
Most Chinese 250 clones are pretty good but they often fail to meet meet Honda quality control of both materials and machine work.
You will end up with a machine well worth the extra effort.
cheers
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 22, 2014 12:21:42 GMT -5
Hey, glad you are still seeing the right side of the flowers. Sorry you were bad hurt but awfully glad you cans till ride. I am an oldie too that only gets back to this now and then and spend as much time on a bigger Yamaha Scoot and the on the water as I can in the Panhandle near Pensacola. I do get your way now and then and will try to visit you next time I do.
In the meantime if you get my way shout. I will check your listings often too.
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 22, 2014 12:11:50 GMT -5
I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but anything near a real 40 MPH on a 50 cc 4t is pretty good. In fact, some states restrict 50 cc scoot without tags to 25 or 30 MPH. The bottom line is trying to get more than 40 MPH out of an air cooled 50 cc 4t with any real reliability is a very steep uphill effort. Frankly, ride it a bit and save your money and upgrade to a 250. Skip the 150. It is at best a 50mph scoot. A 2t is a lot different.
It is simple: To get enough power out of a small (50 to 150) 4t to overcome the drag of the high friction squeeze belt drive system and limited cooling of a covered air cooled and small wheels is asking a lot. 90CC Honda motorcyles with 4 valve heads relatively well cooled running leaded gas with an efficient 4 speed transmission/chain drive built with all the precision of high end Japanese machine work pretty much ran out of go at around 55-60 with me in my 135 lb days. And despite all the progress we really have not learned much about making a gas engine develop power in the last 50 years.
Good luck and enjoy what you got. I frankly think the best solution is to get a bigger scoot not to try to modify this one. Pay attention for a few months before yo think you know more than the factory.
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 22, 2014 11:44:08 GMT -5
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 22, 2014 11:40:07 GMT -5
Glad you are well enough to complain. Sorry you are missing the best riding season but it is great you will soon be out and at it again. Gods speed lefty2 |
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 22, 2014 11:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 21, 2014 17:11:28 GMT -5
Anything is possible I expect but I suspect you need to check your valves and compression carefully. A slightly tight intake valve will mess up power and starting badly. It is always one thng at a time when I troubleshoot and fix a machine. And the first thing around a engine is get it starting and idleing right. and the first thing for that is compression. On a china scoot it is valve clearances. they often have soft heads that take a year or so to stop or slow down the valves receeding into the head.
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Post by imnts2 on Feb 21, 2014 16:53:11 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with JerryScript. It is particularly important you do not run a 50CC air cooled engine on the lean side.. Particularly the cheaper chinese engines. The tend not to have the best materials. You tend to run a 50cc at or near full throttle and they do not have much cooling. If a plug does not get a little black over time, I would seek to run richer.Cheers.
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Post by imnts2 on Jan 7, 2014 12:51:16 GMT -5
It is about as I have said for a long while. For all around riding it is hard for the average motor head to mach or equal factory tuning with one exception. Typically, modern engines are tuned by the factory to run a little to lean to run and last well, Generally a motor will like to run a little richer even if it costs a bit more fuel.
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Post by imnts2 on Jun 3, 2013 5:44:40 GMT -5
Greetings and welcome. Great forum with many great people. It is easy for it to become most a life onto itself. I rarely have the time I would like to have to spend here, but I try to drop in now and then to see what going on. I am a bit old fashioned in that I like a bit more than air cooled and 150 cc and 3 valves on a 4t to keep up with Interstate and open road traffic but I did respond with a bit of envy at a sweet little 150 in downtown Pensacola yesterday. He was having a nice ride running fairly quickly up to 45 or so. Light and agile..
I also fear it is easy for a toy and a hobby to take over to much of my life so I fail to specialize and become better and more capable at doing what I do do very well and also enjoy.
Glad to have you with us.
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 4, 2013 11:55:48 GMT -5
Welcome. Good start. I hope you enjoy the motorcycle course as much as I did. Very little of it was a bore and much of it was fun. Your are wise to take your time. If you do it right you will buy the right scoot the first time. Most of us do not. I for one bought for to small. Despite having owned a 250 years ago in Nam and an old 59CC 2 t 2 speed moped before getting a 90CC Honda i started out a couple of years ago with a 150. My old  would run circles around it - of course it was chain drive with - I think a 4 speed. and had a 4 valve fairly high compression head. Finally I got a modern EFI 400cc. It will run and I will be happy for years with it. So take your time. I think if you pay attention, you will hear a lot of frustration trying to get a 50cc or 150 to run fast enought to get out of its own way. Good luck. Glad to have you here. lefty2 |
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 4, 2013 11:32:26 GMT -5
:pInteresting. Sorry you are being bugged. I seem to get the opposite % of the time. I n fact, I have been surprized. The Harley guys (of course, I often do not recognise a real Harley from all the fake ones most of the time) But the Harley guys seem to be hard to beat with a wave. They are first most of the time. Wonder why my experience is so different? HM??? lefty2 |
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 3, 2013 7:46:32 GMT -5
For various reasons, I like the Yamaha Majesty a bit better but both scoots are my recommendation for both your fisrt and last scoot. It is strong enough to go anywhere darn near anytime and carry all you can get on it and will darn near run forever. Yes, fixing is going to cost more than the cheap scoots, but they are worth fixing and when fixed, stay fixed.
Glad to have you with us.
If you ever need to tear one apart, you will find why they coast more and are worth it.
Congratulations. You only get what you pay for. Onlyt mom and Pop give you more than that. There are pelntly eager to give you less.
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would run circles around it - of course it was chain drive with - I think a 4 speed. and had a 4 valve fairly high compression head.