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Post by skuttadawg on Dec 27, 2013 13:33:50 GMT -5
I bought a PM Tuning sport pipe and it would not line up on the 49cc engine . I put on a BBK and it lined up but the head bolts are such a pain to get to and I did not think the stovk pipe would line up . Once it got the PMT pipe off the stock one lined up perfect . I found it was easier to leave the bolts in place and wiggle the connect between them . I had a heck of time finding the hole the first attempt . The first time I put on the PMT it was so freaking loud that it reminded me of a Honda CR 80 . I thought it was the muffler not the pipe so I switched mufflers . It may have even been pitched higher since it had a smaller nozzle . I had lost bottom end pep but once the RPMs were up on came the powerband . I echo off of buildings , had my ears ringing and made many people jump and cover their ears .
On Christmas Eve I put the stock pipe on as my treat to my neighbors . One had given me 20 dollars to do it . It must be 40 decibels quieter and take off has the wow factor even with 8g sliders were most run 4 or 5g . Mid range is way more peppy . I can still hit 10,500 RPMs as I also thought it would max at 8K like it did when it was a 49cc . So my theory that the exhaust port was too small may be the reason for the 8x max . I had put on a racing CDI it made no diff on top end . it runs so darn good that I smile every where I go . It can still hit 50 MPH on the speedo but it is screaming so I know I will have to get a taller gear set and lighter sliders soon . What is crazy is that I can can go faster up a large hill with a running start than I can down it .
I now can feel the 1.5k Hoca clutch springs on take off as I spun out in the grass by accident from the start after the pipe swap . I do use the PMT muffler on it since it is black like the pipe and has a larger nozzle . Plus it looks like carbon fiber which is neato to me . It has a reed valve just before the expansion chamber but I taped it off . It is not as loud and runs better than when it was blowing out exhaust .
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Post by olescoot on Dec 27, 2013 13:56:02 GMT -5
what make of scoot? I have adly stock but cant get over 6.5k rpm good power over 5k and 40 mph at 6.5k Also has reeds attached to exhaust. Thinking I need lighter rollers and maybe mod exhaust.
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Post by skuttadawg on Dec 27, 2013 14:07:14 GMT -5
Jonway Magnum I will dig up a picture if you want me to of the ports . The 50 it was D shaped where the 75cc is O so it flowed better . It came with 6g rollers . I tried 4g but it over reved and did not go as fast . I mixed them to equal 5g . My dealer thought lighter weights would help me go above 8K but it and a racing CDI did not help I thought it was the exhaust port and the pipe but after running the pipe with a BBK it is obvious it is the port that limits the top RPMs .
Mine is a rear facing carb which has a 19mm TK where many only have a 17.5mm .
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Post by skuttadawg on Dec 28, 2013 21:25:51 GMT -5
After seeing a few on here and two in town with a 2T pipe on a 4T engine a buddy wants to test to see if my pipe will work on his scoot after he gets a jet kit
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Post by skuttadawg on Dec 28, 2013 22:25:08 GMT -5
I forgot to say the two I have seen in town that have a 2T pipe with expansion chamber and the muffler is curved forward design , both had the muffler removed . I was surprised it was not unreal loud like my 2T was with the PMT pipe and muffler . They had to have upjetted the carb since I did not hear any bog or sputter . I think they had a stock pipe which has a baffle in the cone . My PMT is hollow and allows more flow .
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Post by imnts2 on Jan 7, 2014 12:51:16 GMT -5
It is about as I have said for a long while. For all around riding it is hard for the average motor head to mach or equal factory tuning with one exception. Typically, modern engines are tuned by the factory to run a little to lean to run and last well, Generally a motor will like to run a little richer even if it costs a bit more fuel. lefty2
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Post by Mainely Scooters on Jan 18, 2014 17:27:07 GMT -5
Definitely proves the point that just because it says "performance" does not mean it will work with your application!
It sounds like it is tuned for a much larger displacement engine. Bigger is not always better.
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Post by skuttadawg on Jan 23, 2014 22:47:12 GMT -5
Yep Greg I lost bottom end power but it was better and midrange and worked better on the top end but was so darn loud . Stock performs waaaaaaay better on takeoff and has a pleasant 2T rumble . My scooter dealer has a tricked Zuma with a LeoVince pipe that is not loud and is a wheelie popper . I may get one later one but dread paying 250+ .
I thought it was weird how the PM Tuning pipe would not line up when it was a 50 but fit like a glove on the BBK . This is why I dragged around to put the stock pipe back on as I thought it may not line up but luckily it did . I found it was better to get the head stubs started then wiggle the pipe in as it was unreal trying to get them started with the pipe in place as I could not see good nor did I have much clearance to get a wrench in there .
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