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Post by gitsum on Jun 8, 2013 23:28:44 GMT -5
I am not saying all Chinese scooters are a total P.O.S. like a $695 internet special. But the fact remains, even the so called "better" Chinese scooter (like Znen is supposed to be) does not use the same grade metal as Taiwanese or Japanese scooter manufacturers.
Plain and simple, mile for mile a Kymco, Genuine or Sym engine will on average far outlast anything Chinese manufactured. Some of these Taiwanese offer budget models that are assembled in China to cut labor costs. If they are making the effort to lower the price, why then do they still use Taiwanese manufactured engines? If a Chinese engine is just as good, why would they not use that and offer even a lower price? There's a very good reason for that, and you guys know it.
Are Chinese scooters much improved these days? Maybe. Will a Chinese scooter offer reasonable service life? Well, compared to what they used to be, if you think reaching 10k-15k is good, then yes. But now that a "budget" Taiwanese scooter only costs 25% - 50% more than a "better" Chinese scooter, and it will last at least 2 to 3 times longer, how are you saving money (and time) with a Znen?
Really, it's simple math...
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Post by gitsum on Jun 8, 2013 23:07:47 GMT -5
[replyingto=scootnwinn]scootnwinn[/replyingto]Nice scooter! With a little regular maintenance it will last a long time, you can ride anywhere with confidence ;D
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Post by gitsum on Jun 8, 2013 11:41:53 GMT -5
Just a thought, did you check the gear oil to make sure it was properly filled and clean? If it's never been serviced it should have been changed at least once.
It's possible the rear drum brake needs a simple adjustment on the nut that shortens/tightens the cable...
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Post by gitsum on Jun 8, 2013 1:30:44 GMT -5
Bintelli is made by Znen, it's a Chinese scooter. There is plenty of information about Chinese scooters, and more specifically about Znen.
How much does the scooter cost? The logical thing to do is to compare the price with a "budget" Taiwanese model. No matter how they try to market Bintelli, it's still Chinese made with inferior quality metal. "Dressing it up" with Halogen bulbs, a Gates belt and a NGK spark plug isn't going to change that fact (a Taiwanese scooter will have that stuff anyway!). Neither is a warranty that requires the dealer to be involved in everything including oil changes. How much more is that gonna cost?
The last 6 scooters I've owned and ridden (3 Sym's, 1 Honda, 1 Yamaha, 1 CPI) all outlasted the warranty period without one issue, and never had a single problem as long as I owned any of them. If this track record doesn't convince someone to spend a few extra hundred dollars, then the world is further gone than I thought...
Kymco Agility 50 or 125 Lance Cali Classic 50 or 125 / Havana 50 or 125 Tomos Nitro 50 or 125 CPI Oliver City 50cc two-stroke
I checked online and saw the Bintelli Flash for $1299. The Taiwanese scooters I listed above range in price from $1499 to $1999. There is no reason in the world not to invest $200 more for a machine that's in an entirely different class as far as quality and durability are concerned.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 7, 2013 11:21:49 GMT -5
It's a Chinese copy. First of all the price is way too low for a real Keihin, and you can see on one of the photos it says "designed in Japan", not "made in Japan".
It's probably a Deni, which is a Chinese Keihin knock off. Amazingly enough, the Chinese seemed to do a good job with these counterfeit carbs. They seem to run fine and hold up well.
If they are made of cheaper metal, it doesn't seem to compromise the performance and durability of the carb. Now a Chinese made engine with cheaper metal is a very different story...
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Post by gitsum on Jun 6, 2013 16:44:52 GMT -5
Nice!
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Post by gitsum on Jun 6, 2013 1:55:15 GMT -5
Hi Benellis are manufactured in PESARO, ITALY not china And i ride 2 t 50s as the performance is much better then any small 4 stroke My aprilia sr 50 r factory is more then a match for a 4 t 150 Top speed so far 63mph Benelli was bought out by Qianjiang of China. The M50 is Chinese designed and manufactured. As part of the buyout deal Q.J. kept the factory in Presaro Italy and the employees. But make no mistake about it, the glory days of Italian Benelli motorcycles are no more, and the M50 is produced with Chinese parts. The Aprilia SR 50 is an awesome machine, one of the best 50cc machines ever made in my opinion. But it is liquid-cooled and uses direct injection. The Minarelli or lesser known Franco Morini 2-stroke 49cc engines produce around 5 HP stock when tuned properly without restrictions. A typical Taiwanese 4-stroke 125cc scooter makes 8.5 - 9.5 horsepower. Obviously if your SR 50 hits 63 mph, it isn't stock. But I'll take you on with my stock Tomos Nitro 150. It has about 10.5 horsepower and weighs 236 lbs. I did put in some Dr. Pulley sliders, and it's pretty quick to 50 mph. But you would have to mod a lot more to beat my former HD 200 EVO. Exhaust pipe and mild intake mods, it reached an actual 80 mph and could match my Suzuki TU250X in a 10 - 60 mph roll on.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 5, 2013 16:19:57 GMT -5
I believe the Benelli M50 is a two-stroke engine. If it suddenly stopped and then started again after a few minutes, it sounds like you had a soft seize. The engine overheated and the cylinder/piston/rings expanded until they seized up. After cooling down for a few minutes you were able to restart. You might have caused some damage to the piston rings and some scoring to the cylinder walls.
But I guess if you are going to install a BBK, these parts will be replaced anyway. Proper jetting is very critical for a two-stroke engine to prevent overheating, especially after a BBK is installed. Most people don't, but I would recommend adjusting the oil pump for more flow when upgrading to a BBK. You need to know that the Benelli brand is a Chinese made scooter, even though it is marketed as an upscale brand. Plain and simple the cylinder, piston, piston rings and cylinder head will be made of a lower quality metal that is softer and more prone to a soft seizure. Installing a quality BBK kit can help, but the engine casings and crankshaft will still be made out of inferior metal. The oil pump will be a cheapo without a way to adjust, but you can replace it with a much higher quality Mikuni that is adjustable. Or you can simply add an extra ounce of two-stroke oil to every full tank of fuel, but that's a pain.
These glorified Benelli M50's usually sell for $1500-$1600, I hope you got yours for a cheaper price. A Kymco Agility 125 is much higher quality, has more performance than a typical 72cc BBK two-stroke, and has much better fuel economy for $1800. The only advantage I can see for a 49cc is operating in one of the few states that don't require tags or insurance, but the usually have a moped speed cap of 30-35mph. I rode both a stock Yamaha C3 and a SYM DD50 legally unregistered in New Mexico, but I was always wary of getting a ticket because both would top out close to 45 mph.
It's not my intention to bash your Benelli M50, just letting you know what to expect. Good luck, I hope my info was helpful.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 5, 2013 15:46:28 GMT -5
[replyingto=jerseyboy]jerseyboy[/replyingto]There should only be one PAIR port on the cylinder head. More than likely the other bolts are holding a bracket used to attach part of the system.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 5, 2013 15:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by gitsum on Jun 5, 2013 14:02:03 GMT -5
If it is a liquid-cooled Kymco Super 9 and it runs, get it.
It's a two-stroke larger framed scooter that does 50-55 mph stock, amazing for 49cc's.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 5, 2013 12:11:24 GMT -5
Remove the two bolts that attach the metal tube to the PAIR port on the engine. Rip everything off that is routed to the PAIR system. You will need to block off the line that was attached to the intake/airbox. You will also need to fashion a metal plate and then use the two original bolts to block off the PAIR port.
Rip off the charcoal canister attached to the gas tank vent line, get rid of any lines or hoses or secondary canisters attached. Sometimes these systems will have a vacuum line attached, it will have to be blocked off at the source. Make sure to leave some length to the gas tank vent line and reroute it to hang down out of the way.
Ultimately you want to be left with only the basic components.
fuel line from tank to fuel pump vacuum line from intake manifold to fuel pump fuel line from fuel pump to carb
also carb vent tube float bowl drain tube fuel tank vent line
There should be a fuel filter on the fuel line from the tank. Some scooters/motorcycles have a vented gas cap and no fuel tank vent line.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 5, 2013 11:26:41 GMT -5
my 0.0000001ct would be perhaps a piece of rubber belt got inbetween the starter gears. Are you serious?
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Post by gitsum on Jun 5, 2013 0:29:51 GMT -5
Both Genuine and Lance (made by SYM) are very well made scooters, both with a reputation for reliability. You can't go wrong with either one. The Buddy 125 seems to have just a bit more zip, but has a smaller seat and slightly smaller chassis. The Lance Cali Classic 125 and Havana 125 have generous seats for accommodating a passenger, and a little more foot room on the floor board. Both have excellent warranties, but the Genuine's have a little better coverage. If you do the proper oil changes and occasional valve adjustment, I doubt either will even need the warranty.
That being said, I think the $700 lower price of the Lance makes it a much better value.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 4, 2013 22:20:54 GMT -5
There is no additional risk riding a well built machine at or near its top speed. That's what they were made for. You hit the nail right on the head! The operative words here are "well built machine". This would include scooters and motorcycles that are over engineered so that they can hold up to continuous maximum output and then some, with rigorous testing bordering on prolonged abuse. I'm sorry, but that's just not the philosophy of Chinese scooter manufacturers. It's more like make it as cheap as possible without falling apart, and sell a bunch based on a low price point, not quality, reliability, durability or reputation...
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