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Post by gitsum on Jun 12, 2013 18:07:07 GMT -5
Is this board call "It Is The Ride" or "It Is The Wrench" ?? That's funny! My wife said something similar: It IS the Rideor maybe instead Fix the Ride |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 12, 2013 15:57:02 GMT -5
Hi Imho its not what you ride but that you do ride thats important Take care and ride safely my friends Yours Hank 100% true. But it's more fun to spend more time riding and less time fixing ;D |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 12, 2013 15:41:53 GMT -5
Not at all..we are a different breed. We can buy those fancy bloated sccots everyone raves about but theres just no substitute for seeing a Chineese scoot running down the road because everyone knows we are the purist of the pure.  Theres a guy driving a mint condition Yugo around here...Ill bet he can fix ANYTHING!!!! But mostly I believe its a marketing ploy by the big boys since they cannot compete in pricing. I have not had problems and Ive seen plenty of others who havent either. Buy a "budget" Taiwanese scooter. Manufactured in Taiwan, assembled in China to cut labor costs, under the same strict quality control. A few hundred dollars extra for something that you can ride all of the time without being stranded or constantly working on. Like any Honda or BMW, basic maintenance is all you need to worry about. My wife and I ride two-up on a 150cc air cooled scooter up to 350 miles a day. The scooter will never see a dealer or a repair shop, I do all of the maintenance, mods, and repairs (if any repairs are necessary, but doubtful). Pavement or dirt roads, we carry a gas can on longer trips out in the middle of nowhere. Riding doesn't get much "purer" or more satisfying... |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 12, 2013 15:15:06 GMT -5
At the risk of sounding anti-social, we prefer riding alone ;D
My wife and I ride two-up everywhere we want, oftening making decisions on the fly.
We keep our own pace, stop when we want, ride faster or slower as it pleases us. We religiously keep up all maintenance and make sure our scooter is always perfectly tuned, we have confidence that a mechanical failure won't ruin our ride.
Nobody to keep up with or wait up for, following a whim without a discussion first. Riding 50 miles in a day or 350 miles, the sky is the limit.
It is the most relaxing and satisfying kind of riding there is...
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Post by gitsum on Jun 12, 2013 11:53:49 GMT -5
[replyingto=domindart]domindart[/replyingto]That's really funny! I'm pretty sure some people around here are going to be offended.
The truth hurts ;D
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Post by gitsum on Jun 11, 2013 22:01:11 GMT -5
prodigit, you seemed very honest and forthcoming about what you have found, good job!
Be careful and ride safe!
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Post by gitsum on Jun 11, 2013 21:12:07 GMT -5
Its a pretty nice bike for the money. What bolts don't come loose on Honda's? Nothing as prodigit said a little locktite can't fix... no big deal. Unbelievable! What about all the other stuff he mentioned? At first it only started on paint thinner? Now it only runs correctly with the choke partially on? The front fairing panels are rattling like they are going to fall apart? The gearshift lever pad is falling off? Almost all of the bolts are starting to corrode after two short trips in the rain? After 150 km the spark plug had to be changed? My 2010 Honda Elite 110 sure didn't have any of those problems. As a matter of fact, none of the bolts came loose either, especially the axle bolts! |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 11, 2013 18:39:12 GMT -5
Wow! This thing sounds like a total nightmare. You are so lucky nothing critical has fallen apart causing you to crash...
The rear axle nut and gearshift pedal falling off is a very scary thing that could have had disastrous consequences! I really hope you don't end up getting seriously hurt or worse...
Please be careful, it might be better to just give up on it, it's just not worth risking injury.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 10, 2013 21:49:05 GMT -5
Well since you doubt the math, here's something time consuming you could try. Compare all the posts concerning scooter mileage on this forum with one of the SYM, Genuine or Kymco forums. I'm pretty certain you will see right away there is a big difference in total mileage reported on a Chinese scooter vs. a Taiwanese one.
Another thing to check would be the percentage of posts concerning a failure or breakdown vs. other reasons. I haven't specifically tallied that up, but from just being a member in several forums, I see many more posts in here about mechanical issues rather then people talking about other aspects of riding a scooter. In the Taiwanese or Japanese scooter forums I see more posts talking about other scooter related stuff and much less about mechanical issues.
Over the last several years I've owned 8 scooters. Two of those were Chinese, the other six Taiwanese or Japanese. I am very strict and thorough about maintenance and proper tuning. And yes, I did give both Chinese scooters an infamous Chinese style PDI, replacing some parts from the very start.
I think it's pretty obvious what my overall impressions of a Chinese scooter are...
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Post by gitsum on Jun 10, 2013 13:11:40 GMT -5
If you have a Honda or a BMW scooter and fail to do critical maintenance, it's going to break something. Motorcycle and scooter engines are not like car engines that can make it 100,000 miles or more with oil changes and an occasional air filter. Almost all cars have hydraulically adjusted valves, most scooter/motorcycle engines don't.
Adjust the valves or suffer the consequences. If the OP never had a valve adjustment on an air-cooled motor with screw type adjusters and it lasted 5200 miles, that's a testament to the durability of the engine. Heck, my Honda CBR250R has shim over bucket type valves and is water-cooled, it has a 6000 mile recommended valve adjustment interval. Just from breaking it in hard, the valves were getting pretty far off at the 600 mile break-in service.
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Post by gitsum on Jun 10, 2013 0:38:10 GMT -5
you'll be able to take the pulse of your scoot just by riding it. At a level of intimacy unknown by those who have never turned a wrench. I agree 100%. But you can get that same level of pleasure and mechanical prowess from owning and riding a Honda, Yamaha or SYM. I do all of the maintenance myself, none of my machines have ever been to a dealer. All have been tweaked and modified, some more than others... |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 9, 2013 23:18:05 GMT -5
[replyingto=domindart]domindart[/replyingto]OK Spandi, I apologize for offending you, but I was just trying to make a point. I see in one of your posts you had a Honda Elite 125, so you do have experience with a top quality machine. I'll try this one more time  We all know that there are some $995 150cc Chinese pieces of crap out there. We know that some (not all) Chinese manufacturers have improved from 7 or 8 years ago, when they all sucked. It seems like Znen, QJ and a few others cost a bit more than most Chinese scooters, and yes they are better. I personally owned a Chinese P.O.S. (Longbo 150) and a QJ (Strada RX150i Eurojet) and eight other scooters that were all Taiwanese or Japanese. But even "better" Chinese scooters still don't use the same materials or metals as a "budget" Taiwanese scooter uses. It just doesn't make sense to spend a few extra hundred dollars more on a higher level of quality for a Znen, but then refuse to spend a few extra hundred dollars more for a higher level of quality you get with a Taiwanese manufactured machine. A few years ago the cheapest Taiwanese alternative was $2700 - $3000. But the whole game has changed now with budget Taiwanese scooters from $1499 to $1999 for various 50cc, 125cc and 150cc models. Most Chinese scooter owners are willing to spend a little money and a lot of time to replace some parts right from the start, because they want a reliable machine. Why don't they spend a little more and get something that works perfectly without the hassles, worries and extra expense? From my point of view investing a few extra hundred bucks on a budget Taiwanese scooter is always a better deal, and works out to be cheaper in the long run by a considerable amount. I guess I must be missing something, because most people here just don't agree... |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 9, 2013 13:34:06 GMT -5
The Tomos Nitro-50, Nitro-150 and Twister are all made by SYM. As are both the Lance Cali Classic and Havana 50 and 125. |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 9, 2013 11:24:41 GMT -5
Yes, EVERY Bintelli Scooter sold in the USA comes with a 2 year limited warranty and 1 year of free roadside assistance. To my knowledge, we are the only distributor of scooters in our price range ($999-$1699) that includes a warranty and roadside assistance of this nature. It's because we have a quality product and stand behind them 100%. Everyone have a great weekend! Only the battery and the frame have a two-year warranty sir! That is an extremely misleading warranty, almost bordering on fraudulent. Nice use of a technicality like "limited"! However, if you feel comfortable promoting something so obviously deceiving... By the way, a Lance Cali Classic 50 cost $1699 (made by SYM) and has a real two-year warranty that isn't so "limited". No roadside assistance (doubtful it would be needed), but then the Bintelli roadside assistance doesn't reimburse for towing anyway... |
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Post by gitsum on Jun 9, 2013 10:50:31 GMT -5
How's 26,610 Chinese scooter miles for "simple math"? ...or this for quality? 26,610 is certainly better than most Chinese scooters, but how many problems have you had (beside taking it apart and rebuilding it). How many parts did you actually replace during the infamous Chinese style PDI? I have a Znen 250 (from this plant) I still ended up taking it all apart and rebuilding it. I'd say a 20% increase in QC and they'll have it.Just do a quick search on google, for every 20k Chinese scooter you find, you will find five or ten 40k+ Taiwanese or Japanese scooters. There is a difference whether or not you choose to realize it. You're not helping your case any with the that video. Best quality Chinese scooter we've seenWhy doesn't it just say one of the best quality scooters we've seen, without adding the word Chinese? Typical contradictory attitude of a person trying to convince himself or others that a Chinese scooter is just as good. The phrase "for a Chinese scooter" says it all ;D I'm sort of confused by what you're actually trying to say? Are you trying to say that certain Chinese scooters (specifically Znen) are as good as Taiwanese or Japanese scooters? Because here is what you had to say in another thread: The new Lances are made by SYM and not Znen. (with the proprietary ceramic cylinder) Why would you need a long warranty for something that doesn't break down?
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