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Post by godfella691981 on May 20, 2013 23:00:29 GMT -5
I have a 2010 Nitro 150 it has about 5,200 miles on it. I've always kept regular maintenance on it. Its been the most reliable scoot till today. I left my house and went to the store, it ran fine on the way there but when I came out and hit the starter and the only thing it will do is turn over. I got home, took out my plug (which I thought might be fouled since its been in there over 4000 miles) Its got good spark. I have fuel to the carburetor from the tank. And its puffing air out the exhaust pipe.
I'm at a loss. The engine turns over fast, sounds like the spark plug isn't in it. ANY IDEAS?
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Post by indymoped on May 20, 2013 23:06:06 GMT -5
Timing Chain may have broken/fallen off.
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Post by alleyoop on May 20, 2013 23:12:14 GMT -5
Your exhaust valve is not sealing and it has no compression that is why it feels like the plug is out and puffing air out of the exhuast. Adjust your valves BOTH to .004 inchs and you will be good to go. Alleyoop
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Post by domindart on May 20, 2013 23:13:36 GMT -5
What happened alley, the valves just get loose all of a sudden?
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Post by scooterrider on May 21, 2013 9:57:13 GMT -5
domindart yep they can this happened on the Nitro 150 I had.
Started out it would start but you you had to keep your hand on the gas till it warmed up to keep running. Then a few days later it would not start at all gaped the vales and would start one touch of the starter. At 5200 miles the OP got a good run before needing a valve adjustment.
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Post by scootnwinn on May 21, 2013 10:12:40 GMT -5
Check the kill switch. When I was a young hooligan punk we used to like to turn peoples kill switches off at any opportunity. Might be the valves but, it might just be the kill switch is in the off position...
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Post by alleyoop on May 21, 2013 10:55:44 GMT -5
What happened alley, the valves just get loose all of a sudden? No, the OPPOSITE is what happens: The heads on these cheap scoots the metal they use is to soft and what happens as the valves bang open and close the head where the valves seats compresses and now the valves no longer seal and there is now a gap between the valve seat and the valve head. That is why you loose compression more so after they get hot when the valve stem expands makes it even worse. So now on the compression stroke it leaks out the exhaust valve and makes them hard to start and they loose a lot of power. That is why you have to wait a little bit for the heat to dissipate so that the Valve stem cools off and contracts and allows the valve to close up some of the open gap between the valve head seat and valve head. That is why now you no longer have a gap between the rocker and the valve stem. If they got loose they would make a racket clattering like crazy. Alleyoop
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Post by gitsum on May 22, 2013 2:15:58 GMT -5
What happened alley, the valves just get loose all of a sudden? No, the OPPOSITE is what happens: The heads on these cheap scoots the metal they use is to soft and what happens as the valves bang open and close the head where the valves seats compresses and now the valves no longer seal and there is now a gap between the valve seat and the valve head. That is why you loose compression more so after they get hot when the valve stem expands makes it even worse. So now on the compression stroke it leaks out the exhaust valve and makes them hard to start and they loose a lot of power. That is why you have to wait a little bit for the heat to dissipate so that the Valve stem cools off and contracts and allows the valve to close up some of the open gap between the valve head seat and valve head. That is why now you no longer have a gap between the rocker and the valve stem. If they got loose they would make a racket clattering like crazy. Alleyoop That's a very good theory and can easily happen to a Chinese scooter. But the Tomos Nitro 150's engine is made by SYM, not your typical low quality metal found on a Chinese GY6. SYM engines usually go quite a few miles before needing a valve clearance adjustment. That being said, the OP has 5200 miles and if the valves have never been done or only done once, they could be the culprit.
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Post by domindart on May 22, 2013 2:18:23 GMT -5
My bike is approaching 3000 miles and no valve adjustment.. yet
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Post by godfella691981 on May 29, 2013 15:11:30 GMT -5
I just got the scoot back today it has been in storage till I got a chance to deal with it. The shop I called suggested the valve clearance is out of wack...now that I think about it I heard a clattering noise before it stopped running, and I lost power on accelleration, but it didn't sound like it was from the engine, more like the variator under the side cover.
Either way the shop told me if I pop off that cover and both nuts are on the valve adjusters then I should just be able to re-adjust and get back on the road. I'm hoping that's the case. Knowing my luck both nuts are gone and have fell down inside the engine and have tore something else up.
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Post by godfella691981 on May 29, 2013 15:16:33 GMT -5
I have owned two different 150s. The first one was a generic Tao Tao model, it lasted about 1,000 miles, it had so much blow by that it threw oil out bad enough the person behind me had to run their wipers...lol Right out of the crate it was nothing but horrible issues. I paid $800 for it from some online dealer that I found out later scammed quite a few people.
When I ordered this TOMOS directly from the factory and had it dropped at my house it was the best 1,600 I have ever spent. I have not had one single issue except a headlight blowing.
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Post by alleyoop on May 29, 2013 15:31:17 GMT -5
No, the OPPOSITE is what happens: The heads on these cheap scoots the metal they use is to soft and what happens as the valves bang open and close the head where the valves seats compresses and now the valves no longer seal and there is now a gap between the valve seat and the valve head. That is why you loose compression more so after they get hot when the valve stem expands makes it even worse. So now on the compression stroke it leaks out the exhaust valve and makes them hard to start and they loose a lot of power. That is why you have to wait a little bit for the heat to dissipate so that the Valve stem cools off and contracts and allows the valve to close up some of the open gap between the valve head seat and valve head. That is why now you no longer have a gap between the rocker and the valve stem. If they got loose they would make a racket clattering like crazy. Alleyoop That's a very good theory and can easily happen to a Chinese scooter. But the Tomos Nitro 150's engine is made by SYM, not your typical low quality metal found on a Chinese GY6. SYM engines usually go quite a few miles before needing a valve clearance adjustment. That being said, the OP has 5200 miles and if the valves have never been done or only done once, they could be the culprit. Just an F.Y.I SYM has some of their products made in China for the cheaper labor. Actually many of your brand scoots have China factories making their stuff, Honda, Vespa, Yamaha just to name a few. But some control the quality and material they use, that is the difference, so better material the price goes up. Alleyoop
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Post by jerseyboy on May 29, 2013 15:38:27 GMT -5
Just jumping aboard,,want to learn!!
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Post by gitsum on May 29, 2013 16:04:06 GMT -5
The Tomos Nitro is assembled in a mainland China based factory. This is to bring down the price using cheap labor. Quality control follows the same strict guidelines that SYM scooters assembled in Taiwan use. The mechanical and electrical components are Taiwanese made, including small things like fasteners, bearings, hoses and rubber components. The finish/paint on the plastics seems a bit cheaper, but still decent.
Is it as good as a Honda made in Japan (not all Honda's are exclusively made in Japan these days)? Probably not, but it's as close as one can get and cut the price down almost 50% without significantly degrading durability and reliability.
Almost a Chinese price without cutting corners on lower quality metals and mechanical components that always lower durability and reliability.
I have owned and wrenched on Chinese scooters as well as Taiwanese and Japanese scooters/motorcycles. The Taiwanese machines assembled in China are not like typical Chinese manufactured products!
I probably sound like a broken record by now... But spending a few extra hundred bucks on a budget Taiwanese scooter assembled in China (Kymco Agility 125, Lance Cali Classic 125, Tomos Nitro 150 and a few others) is a much better deal than the best Chinese scooter at any price and saves you money!
Getting back to the topic at hand. There are instructional videos for valve adjustments on a GY6 engine that will make it possible for an inexperienced scooter owner to handle the job themselves.
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Post by godfella691981 on May 30, 2013 2:01:59 GMT -5
Ok, here is an update, I took off the valve cover and both valves are opening and closing but im not sure how to set the clearance on the 150 its a bit different then a 50cc. Everything appears to be working ok, valves opening and closing and the cam is turning. But I wont know for sure till I get some instructions on how to set the timing. I know on the 50s that you use the round hole in the camshaft gear to help set it. But this one has three holes in it.
Also, I took the air tube off the carb and gave it a shot of starting fluid, still it doesn't do anything. My Plug is dry also, I don't understand.
gitsum...please share a link to one of those videos. Mine is a 150cc.
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