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I think you handled it right too. From what you've posted, the policeman seemed more interested in your bike than the speed he said you were doing. He didn't ask any of the typical questions that would have you admit to your guilt. (He may have, perhaps you just didn't post that detail)

I've haven't been pulled over in a long time, so I've never had the opportunity to follow the advice of these videos. But, I think it can be done in a respectful way. If the policeman were to asked me any question that are designed to have me incriminate myself of the infraction...I'd simply say, officer, I mean no disrespect to you personally or to the job you're doing , but, I have a greater respect for the Constitutions of the US, where it says I have a Constitutional right not answer questions where I might incriminate myself.

Your thoughts?

One other layer of security you might want to consider is covering your bike. It's not for the lazy but it adds imo another layer of preventing the bike from being stolen.Securing a bike works best if you use many layers of security. It's my personal opinion it starts with covering your bike. A would-be thief, imo first gets a temptation to steal your bike on the way it looks. If he thinks it's worth the risk he'd might decide to act on the temptation. If he's unable to see the bike, the chances of he being tempted isn't totally eliminated, because he might be around when you're on it. But, it drastically reduces the chances of him seeing it parked all by itself and being tempted at that point. The other layers are good lock and chain and an alarm such as the one Spandi or jerryscript recommended.

The best lock I've come across is the Abloy 362 and the best chain is the Almax Immobiliser 19mm Chain. These things however, are so heavy, they may not be practical to ride around with.

So now we have the context of 4 years ago....would you now say he was telling the truth?

No? So you don't think he's lying?

On one side of your mouth you're saying you don't know...on the other side you're saying he's acting as if he's lying.....because he doesn't shoe support what he said...as if he's on trial.

He could have chosen to do a whole lot of things on the video, but he didn't. Based on the the information he gave us, one can either believe he's telling the truth or he's lying...What is your opinion?



Let's say he/she had little mechanical skills. Perhaps could change the engine oil and filter...nothing too technical.
This bike had only 600 miles in it. (That is unless you think he's lying)Why would any reasonable person think the bike lost all its transmission oil after just 600 miles? I don't get that? That's not reasonable.


Common sense says he didn't keep riding it, he/she brought the bike to a trained mechanic to fix
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Not supported by anything? If the guy has been in business for years he has his reputation that supports him. His name is all over the video. Why would he risk making this whole thing up and perhaps ruin his reputation? The guy comes across sincere to me. He's trying to warn people who are new to the market.



Perhaps if he were making a video on how to fix the transmission.....he would have been that detailed. But, he wasn't doing that. His audience wasn't mechanics trying to learn how to fix the transmission.....it was NEW consumers to scooters.People with little knowledge of what going on.

You're acting like you DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE HIM. Then coming up with excuses why you don't.



There's no doubt he wants people to buy from him and not the guy who sold this owner this lemon of a bike. That's just good business...you act as if its a crime! I see a guy who concerned with the shotty craftmanship of some Chinese bikes and he wants to educate the public. Heck if he had bad character, he's take these bikes in all day long....they probably make him lots of money on the repairs work. .



Made by the same company?



After 600 miles one should not expect to discover there's no transmission oil, among the other issues.



Your answer is "no" to the question...BUT, everything else you said tells me you think he's lying...

Since there is no support for what he said...he must have purposely left it out to hide the truth.

That's your line of reasoning. That's absurd.

Thanks JR

Let me make several points....

All Hype from a salesman? Really?

The first bike he showed was the clone of the Kymco Corbra. It had only 600 miles on it. He told us of some serious issues with
the bike...you did mention one of them in your response.

Now either this person is telling us the truth or his lying.

Which do you believe?

If he’s telling us the truth, isn’t it his job to inform the public what sort of bikes are out in the market? Of course it is. It’s just not a sales pitch, the guy is not comfortable selling these sort of bikes in his dealership. Obviously another dealer had no problem with selling it.

With 600 miles on the OD, there was no oil in the front shocks and there was about an inch play in the steering bearings. The rear axle is bent which eventually caused the transmission oil to totally leak out. With no transmission oil the back end stands a good chance to lock up. If the rider is moving down the road at 45mph…and the bike locks up that could be deadly. Yes this bike was a very dangerous bike to ride. You failed to mention any of these issues in your post…these were very serious issues…you did however mention the less serious issue……the battery.

Why did you ignore those serious issues? Just wondering.

According to you this was a pure lack of PM by a either not knowing or lack of effort by the person who owned the scooter?

You make it sound like the buyer should expect these issues after 600 miles and it’s up to them to get out the wrench and prevent them from occurring! Really? After only 600 miles? .


The 2nd bike had whopping 81 miles on it. It had a CDI failure, a brake failure, a throttle cable tube failure. The bike had corrosion all over it. After 81 miles, the buyer did something wrong?

Let me ask you…do you approve of the way the Chinese market “anti-lock brakes?”

They use a valve to halve the brake pressure to the front wheels. It prevents the brakes from locking up the tires. It does do that.

BUT,
How would you like to be riding this bike in a panic situation and only being able to have half your front brakes? By design!

The third bike was a 150 with drum brakes. Do you think drum brakes can be reliable to stop a 150 cc bike?


I would very much like to hear your opinion on some of the questions I’ve asked.

Do you think the guy is lying? Doesn’t he not have an interest to inform the public of what he’s observed with these Chinese bikes? Should customers expect to pay $1-$2,000 for a NEW bike and do all sorts of mechanical work on it before its road worthy?
Why did you ignore in your post the very serious issues of the first bike?

I look forward to your response.


Danno


Which do you believe?


I believe what I see and not told by someone who has made these claims.

I watched the first video, a man obviously sitting downtown on a street with a big logo/banner on his truck making a video and the only thing I saw that was an issue was the back wheel. The video wasn't clear, was the swingarm tight or was the axle bent? How do we know the rider wasn't heavy, did he ride double a lot? How do we know he ever did any routine maintenance or PM, did he ever even check the gear oil?

In the video did this fellow show you a bad seal where the bent shaft made it leak? All just claims. The one inch slack in the steering shaft bearings? Now do you know how these are set up? One inch and that much slack would mean it was unrideable period. Yet he said the customer was riding it. Did he have the front off videoing this one inch slack? Again his claim. You can say anything you want but if you're going to make a video you can easily show what you're claiming.

Why not have the scooter in the shop and video all these problems to show how it came into the shop, why the Pride of Cleveland on the street, I'm going to save your life from these dangerous scooters?

The front forks? Did he mention the riding conditions? On some of the roads in my state the front forks and shocks take a beating, no big deal to pull the caps off and add a little fluid, again simple PM.

600 miles? Did he show us the speedo on the odometer? Again this would have been easy in the video, in fact I would have made a point to show this to people on these so very dangerous scooters. I would have said "SEE THIS!" This is a death trap and it's only got 600 miles on it!

Now here is some facts about POC scooters:

clevelandscooters.com/

What do they sell? So they take in all the junk Chinese scooters to work on? Yea right.

As far as the other videos and your questions, didn't even bother to watch them so I can't answer those questions, the first video and just claims with no proof was enough for me. Remember the scooters they sell would never have any of those issues and you pay them to see to it they don't. Myself I can see to it myself.

JR