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Post by danno on Nov 25, 2013 10:48:18 GMT -5
Personally, I think its one of the most selfish things a person can do.... Hot Flash! You are going to die. Really! All you can do is enjoy life while you can. The most selfish thing a person can do is force people to continue living. When in 1992 California they passed the mandatory helmet law, and 40% of motorcyclists quit riding -- it was not worth riding if they cannot feel the breeze, feel and breathe the cool fresh air. You may enjoy riding with a four pound helmet, I do not. I am currently NOT enjoying riding, but it is better than being locked up in a cage. Life is enjoyable when I cross the State line and can get rid of the damn helmet. I'm not about forcing people to do anything. I'm not a government restrictions guy....Freedom means less government intrusion. My comment had nothing to do with the word "force". My comment had to do with the word "selfish." It's not about you. It's the people who truly care about you who are the most affected. For example, many people decide to stop smoking or lose weight in order to get in better health. They do this not because they don't enjoy smoking or eating,....they do! They're willing to make the sacrifice of their own feelings and put the feelings of their loved ones ahead of their own. I admit, I don't know your case individually, But, most people who choose not to wear a helmet its safe to say they're making their loved ones more worried about them as they choose to place their own safety at more risk, and care less about their loved ones feelings. Why should they/you care about the feelings of their loved ones? The "breeze" is more important. If they're forced to take care of you/them for the many years following the accident they/you didn’t plan on having, that's just the risk they'll going to have to live with. The fact that they/you show them you don't care about their feelings that they might one day be left with wiping your butt hole and feeding you baby food. Imo it's extremely selfish thinking. It has nothing at all to do with being "forced" to wear a helmet. Just my 2 cents |
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Post by danno on Nov 24, 2013 20:33:47 GMT -5
Personally, I think its one of the most selfish things a person can do. “I love riding without a helmet. I feel the breeze, feel and breathe the cool fresh air.”Why should you care for the many years following your accident you didn’t plan on having, left your family with the responsibility of wiping your butt hole and feeding you baby food, just because you wanted to “feel the breeze” . Not even a half helmet would of helped this guy....  |
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Post by danno on Oct 11, 2013 21:56:38 GMT -5
 A guy I once worked with was involved in a roll over accident a couple of days ago. His rear tire burst and he lost control. He leaned over to protect his wife during the roll over, causing his head to be out of the way. He walked away. Don't take chances with old tires. ![]() |
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Post by danno on Oct 4, 2013 4:15:48 GMT -5
Road debris can dangerous at night...especially from blow outs from old tires. It's a dark object on a black road, which makes it very tough to see from a distance
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Post by danno on Oct 3, 2013 6:46:03 GMT -5
One of the issues I had to learn while driving at night was making a turn. On a bike you're suppose to look to where you want to go....the problem is, at night on a bike, the place where you want to go remains in the dark because your headlight has yet to light up that area.
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Post by danno on Oct 3, 2013 5:12:02 GMT -5
Just a thought.....we're gettng personal. If too many people are being offended, it will likely get this thread shut down.....Let's not go there.  |
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Post by danno on Oct 3, 2013 4:53:27 GMT -5
The whole situation got escalated when the SUV driver chose to use deadly force . He should be charged also. This whole thing was escalated when the one biker showed his aggressive intent when he used his "braking trick." inches in front of the SUV. However, unlike most "road rage" incidents, this was NOT a one on one, between one car and one rider. If it were, I'd agree that the driver went too far. But, that's not what happened here. There were a horde of bikers acting very aggressively. I can only imagine the driver would be overwhelmed by the INTENT of what these bikers were trying to do to him and his family. He was completely surrounded. Anyone in his situation would be understandably in fear not being able to keep their eyes on every potential threat.....from his rear......from both sides....and in front of his vehicle. A few of you seem hung up on the biker getting badly hurt. First of all, I don't take any pleasure in seeing the one biker who is now paralyzed, "deserve what he got." At the same time, if you purposely place yourself in front of a truck which the occupants are being threatened, then you have to take some responsibility for purposely putting yourself in a dangerous situation. Again, the law is about INTENT. What was the drivers intent when he took off. His intent was not to hurt anyone, his intent was to end the threat on his family by creating distance between him and the bikes. As far as he was concerned ALL the bikers were a threat to him. And by the way I do know quite a bit about theology as I was a minister for ten years and work as a teacher here in a Christian school , if your going to try and say something about how you warp the bible to fit your point of view I take great offense . There is a reason why it's not allowed to be discussed in here . I have no idea why you are offended...I didn't state a POV...I stated a fact. Peter and the others followers carried swords on their sides.It's not an opinion, it's a fact that is written in the Bible for anyone to read for themselves.Let's end the Bible discussion now. It's been suggested that this could have ended peacefully if different choices were made. If you're one who holds this pov, I'd like to hear how you would have ended it peacefully, assuming you were the driver with your family in the car being threatened by dozens of motorcycle riders?. Scootwinn suggested slowly pulling away....I think if he tried a slow get away, they would have done what the ended up doing anyway. Beating and slashing him. |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 20:59:03 GMT -5
I'm a Christian, so for me I will always seek a non violent way....Each person has their own way I chose peace even in the face of violence. I can only hope and pray that you're never in a situation where someone is threatening your life or someone in your family's life, and you choose to give peace a chance. Just a note...Jesus disciples believed in "open carry." We read that Peter had a sword.There are also other verses where Jesus refers to His followers swords. |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 20:19:57 GMT -5
It is not ok to defend property with deadly force. In Texas it is. law.onecle.com/texas/penal/9.42.00.htmlBut, this didn't occur in Texas, besides I don't think he was trying to protect his truck..."just" his family. Nor should anyone be required to wait until their plan was put in place before reacting. The law is all about "intent" If you feel threatened someone is about to do great bodily harm to you, then you have every right by law to stop the threat even using deadly force to do it. That's the law. It would be foolish for anyone to wait and see if they actually do follow through with their threat.BY that time you might be unconscious or even dead. Prior to him running over the biker, it's reasonable to believe the guy felt he and his family were in a desperate and threatening situation. I personally don't think there was any other choice but to get out of there as quick as possible.These bikers were stopped and some were off their bikes in the middle of the West Side Hwy.Their actions were very aggressive.They weren't about to have a reasonable conversation. This was a mob mentality against a man his wife and a two year old. As a Christian, my priority is to protect my family against the angry mob. Once you're out of harms way...then you can pray for them. ;-) |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 19:19:20 GMT -5
I think you guys are kind of proud of him though for "taking care of business" and crushing anything and everything in his path regardless of the cost. Some guy loses the ability to walk and you applaud it and even say it would be better if he died. Human life is more valuable than that. I was a hooligan once and made some bad choices do I deserve a wheel chair or the electric chair? I guess you all have always been perfect citizens. Never threatened anyone in your youth or otherwise so you can judge these "subhumans". Pretty sad really all around. I can't fault the SUV driver for fleeing in an effort to save his family from an out of control mob."Talking it out" definitely didn't seem like an option. On the other hand, when one purposely places their few hundred pound bike in front of a several thousand pound vehicle, you have chosen to take on the risk of possible getting run over by the SUV. In desperate situations, people do desperate things. This farther and husband felt desperate to separate himself from this angry mob. The bike rider has to take personal responsibility for purposely placing himself in front of the SUV. IN this situation, I see the SUV as a weapon no different than a gun. When an angry mob is threatening you and your family, you have every right to defend yourself and your family. You have every right to stop the threat. If you're stupid enough to place yourself in front of the SUV/(gun)driven by a person who life is being threatened, then you're accepting the consequences of whatever happens to you. imo... |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 18:39:46 GMT -5
Soooo a cager slams into you or your buddy when you are doing nothing other than enjoying a nice days ride , leaving you for dead .....you don't have the right to "defend yourself " by any means necessary  You talk of taking extraordinary measures to defend yourself well ..... Seriously? Is that what you see in this video? A group of bikers minding their own business "enjoying a nice day ride?" When those riders started to chase the SUV, that's not "defending yourself" ....That was a vigilante mob. |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 14:55:22 GMT -5
Here is a "rhetorical question: If any of you were in the car immediately behind this,and witnessed the bikers cut him off and swarm his car, Remember, he DID stop,and then was attacked. What would you do? knowing there was an innocent woman and child in that vehicle, would you try to give aid to the driver of the suv?I know I would at least call 911, from there, who knows?Remember, The people in the suv are the victims here, and no doubt emotionally scarred for the rest of their lives. Vigilante justice? I don't know , but I bet a few of you would be "(DISABLING)" some bikes too.I would certainly entertain the thought. Call 911 and be a good witness...write down descriptions of person....their clothing and license plates #'s if possible. |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 14:38:42 GMT -5
Who has the right to take any life ? We all have the right to take a life if someone is trying to take our own. I have the right to protect myself with deadly force, if someone is attacking me and I believe it's serious enough to possible cause my death or serious bodily harm. The important thing to remember is, you'll likely have to be able to get 12 jurors to agree with you. If you can't do that, then it doesn't matter what you thought at the time. I've read a lot of people on here and other sites talking about pulling out their guns and shooting. First of all, no matter how justified you think you are to defends yourself, pulling that trigger and hitting another human and possible killing them, will change your life forever, no matter how justified you were in doing it. Be prepared also to spend 10's of thousands of dollars on lawyers. Don't be so flippant to think pulling out a pistol and shooting is a simple solution in a case like this. I do carry. But it's the last thing I ever will want to do, is use it. If fleeing is an option....take it. |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 8:31:41 GMT -5
FreeFour68....Just a warning...if you come to America,and decide to "take care of business" on your own, you'll likely end up like these guys....in jail or worse...paralyzed and in a coma.
NYPD: Second biker arrested in SUV driver beating
A second suspect was arrested in connection with an attack on a SUV driver who was swarmed by bikers on a New York street, police said Tuesday.
Allen Edwards, 42, faces charges of reckless endangerment, criminal mischief and menacing for the Sunday incident, the New York City Police Department said.
The terrifying incident involving bikers on Manhattan's west side went viral after a video of the incident surfaced online.
A helmet camera one of the bikers was wearing captured much of the violent incident, including the moment when the a biker walks up to the SUV and smashes its window with a bike helmet.
Biker injured clash with SUV driver
Motorcycles, SUV clash on NYC streets
The New York City Police Department said a man driving a Range Rover with his wife and 2-year-old daughter inside Sunday struck a motorcyclist on Manhattan's West Side Highway, breaking his leg.
The biker who was struck by the SUV, 28-year-old Christopher Cruz, was later arrested and faces several charges, including reckless endangerment, reckless driving and endangering the welfare of a child, Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said on Tuesday.
The SUV driver pulled over after the biker was hit, and the motorcyclists surrounded his vehicle, hitting it and spiking the tires, police said. The driver pulled away, hitting three more bikers in the process, police said.
One of those bikers, Edwin Mieses, 32, is now paralyzed and in a coma, his family told CNN affiliate WBZ.
"All of his ribs are fractured," Mieses' mother, Yolanda Santiago, told WBZ, "his lungs are so badly bruised that he's still on a ventilator."
Mieses' wife, Dayana, told CNN affiliate WCBS her husband got off his bike to help Cruz but the SUV driver drove off, hitting her husband on the way.
The hospital where Mieses is being treated did not respond to CNN inquiries about his condition.
The gang, called "Hollywood Stuntz," according to police, chased the man, and he was forced to stop because of flat tires.
The SUV driver was cornered and beaten, according to police. He was later treated at a local hospital for slashes to his face and released. His wife and child were not injured.
"I don't condone the violence, there's no need for it," Mieses' sister Margie Mejia told WBZ, but "I'm glad they chased him down and they stopped him."
Police say this same group of bikers descended on New York City and clogged up Times Square last year in what Kelly said was a "major stunt event."
Authorities say they were able to prevent the group from entering Times Square this year. Police arrested 15 bikers in total Sunday, seized 55 bikes and wrote 68 summons for various violations.
They are looking at video footage to try to determine whether any other charges will be filed in the incident.
On whether it was legal for the SUV driver to leave the scene after hitting the first motorcyclist, Kelly said Tuesday that "you have to look at the totality of the circumstances and that's what we're doing."
"The investigation is ongoing," Kelly said.
At this time, the SUV driver is not facing any charges.
"It's not going to bring my son's legs back, because it's not going to make him walk again," Mieses' mother said, "But justice has to be served."
CNN's Elizabeth Landers contributed to this report.
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