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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 1, 2013 9:35:42 GMT -5
CL shows some used (2004-07) Burgmans in my price range...are these as good as people seem to think? Would a Burg with 10-15k miles be a decent choice, rather than a newer, low mile(1600) XY260T4?
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Post by ericrockstar on Apr 1, 2013 10:05:08 GMT -5
Yes. Far better.
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Post by DaveC on Apr 1, 2013 10:50:39 GMT -5
I totally agree
A Burgman 400 is a great starter bike.
I was alsways told that the way you ride depends on your right wrist
Meaning, some say a 400 is too big, but your throttle hand decides how fast you ride.
(I was gonna get a Honda 750, but got an 1100. Some said an 1100 is too big to re-learn on. )
If you could find a 650, you wouldn't be yearning for a little more power a year from now.
But, get it now, and enjoy the He!! outa it.
also, mechanically you should never had any unexpected maint.
They're pretty much bullet proof (like my Hondas)
Enjoy the ride
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Post by jwalz1 on Apr 1, 2013 11:19:03 GMT -5
My first bike was/is a Kymco Downtown 300i, which because of its lower weight and relative higher power performs nearly identical to the Burgman 400.
It took a little getting used to but was certainly not too much power to handle and is a great deal of fun. The Burgman might have been a little tougher for me to handle, not in the power department but in the size department because it is 100 pounds heavier than my bike and I am on 5'6" 155 pounds. The heft is what took getting used to for me, and that was with 100 pounds less than the Burgman.
But if you are not a hobbit like myself, take the bike on some easy rides around the neighborhood, then ease into some slower traffic for a couple days, then let it rip.
You should be fine. Always wear your protective gear.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 1, 2013 11:27:54 GMT -5
this will be my first bike, I have NEVER ridden before.
All Burgman 400's are EFI, right?
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Post by rockynv on Apr 1, 2013 12:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 1, 2013 14:16:52 GMT -5
Definitely will get full gear. Im fine on a bicycle.
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Post by prodigit on Apr 1, 2013 16:46:30 GMT -5
The BMS 260 EFI gets great gas mileage, but it's parts are sub par. Dash starts rambling apart without proper PDI, the bike is really complex and heavy, and nothing you'd really want to work on if you're looking for a quick fix.
Qua acceleration the BMS is quite fast. You can spin the rear wheel in the rain, on the road from a standstill.
But I think a new BMS compares somewhat to a Burgman with 15-20k miles on; pricewise, and problems wise... Some people never have problems with their burgs, some do after a while.
Most people I know that had a BMS, all said they had problems within the first 4k miles.
I even find a BMS260 scary as a first ride.
And even I underestimated it's power the first time I rode on gravel, or rainy surface.
A few years ago people started out with 50cc's, then moved on to 125 or 150cc.
Personally I'd say a 150 is the perfect beginners bike.
From there you can move on.
To learn on a bike, where you could potentially spin the rear wheel when given too much throttle, is only making things more difficult and dangerous.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 1, 2013 18:30:09 GMT -5
Wait...I have one person calling a 400cc Burgman a "great starter bike", and now I have someone saying that a 260cc BMS (which seems to be low-powered by 250-260 standards) is "scary". My head hurts!  (Also note: the used XY260 I am looking at is not EFI.) A 150 is pretty much out of the question, not being highway-capable. |
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Post by jonwaylee on Apr 1, 2013 20:24:39 GMT -5
My first scoot was a Jonway YY250T. It was pretty good but I wanted a little more power so I sold it and bought a Linhai Aeolus 300. They tell me that Yamaha own part of the Linhai company and the quality of the Linhai Aeolus is good for a Chinese bike. My next bike will be a Burgman 650 Executive or a Piaggio X10 500 Executive...
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Post by jwalz1 on Apr 1, 2013 20:33:05 GMT -5
this will be my first bike, I have NEVER ridden before. All Burgman 400's are EFI, right? I had never ridden before ever either, but I grew up on bicycles. I took the course first so I guess you could say I had about 6 hours on a motorcycle in the class, but the 300 was the first ownership. The power was nothing to be scared of because you control it with your right hand. If you don't want too go fast, don't. It is that simple. The power won't be too much if you use your brain and stay within your limits. It can be fast enough to be fun, but it is not a crotch rocket, just act responsibly. But if you practice around the neighborhood you should be fine. Just get used to counter steering before you take it into some curves. Your natural reaction coming from bicycle riding is going to make you want to turn the wheel into the turn when you should turn it away, and that will make you go wide and you dont want to then have to panic brake. Practice counter steering, get used to it and comfortable and you should be fine. I took mine out onto a deserted road and did not counter steer and went wide before correcting myself, with traffic that would have been a huge mistake. I rode this curvy deserted road over and over and going into every turn I said to myself in my head "opposite", "opposite" , "opposite" until it just became second nature and unlearned bicycle behavior. No problems after that. If the size and weight are not too much for you, the power wont be, and once you get real comfortable you will be glad to have enough to run the highway when you want. |
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Post by bigggroovy on Apr 1, 2013 22:27:01 GMT -5
ive owned a 50cc, 250cc, and now on 400cc. ive learned that going normal speeds is easy. its the slow speeds that will get you if youre not careful. but dont let the 400 scare you. its a pretty good bike. unless youve NEVER ridden before. then id say go smaller. otherwise go for it!
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Post by shalomrider on Apr 1, 2013 23:14:32 GMT -5
howdy, this opinion will be unpopular but if it doesn't fit, don't wear it.
i have noticed a lot of single vehicle(motorcycle) accidents recently. in my opinion it is from inexperienced riders buy their first motorcycle and it is a 700 pound harley or something similar. then they get out riding and get into a corner too fast make a wrong move and pay with their life and maybe someone else as well. i have ridden the 400 above mentioned and i think it is enough unlike a bicycle to let you get into trouble and not realize it. there is a certain detachment or disconnect that isolates you from the actuall road and control conditions and that will not be as much the case with a 250 or 300 like kymco or sym or piaggio etc. where it is not so much like driving a bathbub. nothing against that when you are more attuned. recommend against the burgy as a first scoot.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya
ken
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Post by rockynv on Apr 2, 2013 4:08:54 GMT -5
Jwalz - How long has it been since you took the MSF course? Did you discuss with your instructors based on how you well did on the course and by their observations what they would recommend as your first bike?
Be mindfull that tires will play a large part of the equation in safety. The Burgman takes a radial tire and unless they put something very cheap on should have better grip than what comes on a the BMS 260. Pirellia Diablo is the recommended tire which has pretty good wet traction. I have the Pirelli MT66 on my Aprili which is 100 lbs lighter and has 50% more hp than the BMS 260 and there is no problem in the rain even on slick Florida roads. I would still advise caution crossing the stickon plastic road markers, crosswalks and lines when they are wet though.
If you have any reservations at all then I might recommend you do what I did which was pick up a used clunker 150 off of Craigs list locally for $300 to $400 and cut your riding teeth on that for several months before trading up. The local Aprilia dealer gave me more than I paid when I traded it on my Aprilia.
BTW: Six hours seems a bit low for the riding part of the course. First part should be about a half day riding going from 11:00 am to 5:00/6:00 pm and the second riding day should have been from 8:00 am to at least 4:00 pm.
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Post by DaveC on Apr 2, 2013 8:54:00 GMT -5
I rode big bikes for many years before I had my accident.
The reason/solution in both the bike world and the scooter world are the same:
MSF Course.
Riding too fast for conditions
Not knowing your bike/scooter.
Bikers normally start with smaller bikes; rebel 250, Virago 500 and move up to an 1100 or bigger after a while
Scooter people do the same: start with a 50 and move up to a 500 eventually
Or,like me, a 300cc trike.
(I got a Icebear Zodiac Trike cause I can't balance a two wheeler. Even the RT and Piaggo/Aprilla 3 wheelers need to be balanced when standing still, which I can't do)(cause I only got one leg)
So, that being said:
Don't ride above your or the bikes capability
Know your scoots limitations and yours
Take a MSFClass
Keep your scoot in tip top condition (tires, lights, brakes.etc)
Dress for the crash, not the weather
(I remember riding my Wing across the Arizona desert in 107 degree heat, with a jacket, full face helmet, gloves. )
I had on my helmet and jacket when I got hit by the GMC truck, the helmet saved my life (but not my leg)
So, RIDE SAFE
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(Also note: the used XY260 I am looking at is not EFI.)