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Post by jwalz1 on Apr 2, 2013 9:10:54 GMT -5
Jwalz - How long has it been since you took the MSF course? Did you discuss with your instructors based on how you well did on the course and by their observations what they would recommend as your first bike? I bought the scooter, took the course, and picked up the scooter and rode it home two weeks later. I had to hit a short stint of freeway (which I was pretty much alone due to low traffic) on the way home. They did not suggest anything they just asked everyone what they planned to ride, I said I bought a 300cc scooter and the instructor said "cool". I will say that I am not a fearful person so I was not intimdated by the scooter. I did well in the course. There was one kid that did not do well at all and was pretty scared even in the parking lot speeds. I hoped they failed him because he was not ready and he fell during the course. I was a little sketchy for the first couple miles getting used to it out of the dealer but I was on residential roads with no traffic. After a few miles I was decent, and after a couple weeks was really comfortable. I took a couple hundred mile riding day with a friend on some back highways away from traffic with a friend that helped immensly for confidence. But again it was the size and heft of the bike and not the power that gave me any issue at all. My bike has about the same power to weight as the Burgman, the speed is all up to me though. The burgman is heavier so I think it would have given ME much more trouble but I am small. I think you can tell alot about your ability during the course. Are you scared by some of it? Do you panic and make mistakes? I am pretty even keel. I won't have the bars turned and grab the front brake, but I saw people do it. I also took the course in an all day rain which bothered some people but I thought was even more valuable. I think it is wise to wonder if a 400 is too big, I only offer that the size of the bike will be more of a factor, especially if you are not 6'2" and 200 pounds, but the added power is no big deal if you have a head on your shoulders and don't act like a 16 year old with a new crotch rocket. Because it still will get to 60 in about the same as your average 4 cylinder car, it won't be neck snapping acceleration, and he controls the power. Sure you gotta be careful on dirt and gravel, but you need to do that with any size bike. I am very saftey conscious believe it or not, but while a 400cc scooter is big for a scooter, they are about as fast and heavy as what are considered 250cc "starter bikes" but with less for the pilot to worry about because no shifting. If he were asking "Is a VSTAR 250 too big?" we would probably say "no, that is a good place to start" but it will weigh and perform about the same as the Burgman. The original poster should take the course first, and if he is comfortable with the safety course bikes, a Burgman will probably be fine IMO.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 2, 2013 10:20:37 GMT -5
Im taking the safety class (mail in the payment for today in fact) & wll wear full safety gear! Im 5'10" & about 245lbs. (Knock off the fat jokes, or I'll sit on you!)
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Post by DaveC on Apr 2, 2013 11:09:56 GMT -5
Im taking the safety class (mail in the payment for today in fact) & wll wear full safety gear! Im 5'10" & about 245lbs. (Knock off the fat jokes, or I'll sit on you!) No FAT jokes from me I was 5'10" and 270 Now 5'9" and 220 (It's a long story) Which is why I need a trike (to be delivered Thu)
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 2, 2013 11:30:38 GMT -5
Yeah...sucks what happened to you. I drive for a living, and the idiocy I see is just stunning!
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Post by DaveC on Apr 2, 2013 14:20:52 GMT -5
Yea, life ain't fair. But hopefully the scoot will be a chick magnet.
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Post by xylon on Apr 2, 2013 16:15:02 GMT -5
Hm do bigger bikes handle bumpy roads better?
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Post by jwalz1 on Apr 2, 2013 16:37:55 GMT -5
Hm do bigger bikes handle bumpy roads better? That is a question of a few factors, wheel size, bike weight and suspension. It is going to vary. A small bike like a CFMoto Glory with big wheels might do better than a larger 250 with smaller wheels and different shocks. Most people seem to say larger wheel size goes over bumps better. But a Burgman, as far as I have heard is known for a softer suspension. The heavy swing arms on the back of a scooter tend to make it more bumpy in the back than a motorcycle. I know my scooter's back wheel can make a pretty decent thud when hitting a good bump or pothole. Not enough to upset the scooter, but enough to rattle the riders teeth.
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Post by prodigit on Apr 2, 2013 19:57:20 GMT -5
A lot of different opinions! I think with a burgman 400 you're really at the edge , or a little over the edge for a beginners bike. There are those who start out big, but are scared to of their bikes! I've ridden 2 wheeled vehicles all my life, and still today, I get a little scared when I mount my 750 Honda cruiser, and it has been a while since I did...
The major difference between large motorcycles and scooters, is that with motorcycles, on top of being generally heavier, and less safe (legs are outside instead of inside), they tend to also get more dangerous in gears (eg; you can lock up the engine, or rear wheel when choosing the wrong gear.). This all adds to the dangers of a rider. However with scooters you're mainly relieved of this, as they are simply twist and go.
But why start out with a big bike, if you constantly need to be scared not to hit anything, or otherwise (if you're not scared), are going to hit something?
The uneasy feeling you get from being on a big bike, and feeling 'unsafe' is generally a warning sign, saying 'you're out of your league', and usually, when ignored, you can find yourself either with a lot of luck going through a season without accidents, or end up in one.
IMHO, a sub 3000LBS 150cc is the perfect entry bike.
And from there on, build your riding record.
The difference between a 400cc burg, and a 150cc scoot, is: 1- The scoot will be more nimble, gets through corners better, gets inbetween cars better 2- is more forgiving when you do slide (less pain, less money, less damage) 3- Less chance of a rear wheel spin / lose control situation, with a 150
And especially if your 150cc is lower than 300LBS, it will depart about just as fast as a ~500LBS burgman.
Unless you're telling me that a 150cc is unusable for you (because you mainly will be doing highway rides longer than 10 minutes), I'd still recommend a 150. Ultimately a 50cc with BBK, or 125cc, but 150cc is good too!
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 2, 2013 20:15:38 GMT -5
Yes, that is EXACTLY what I am saying! I need a scoot that can handle highway driving...hence looking at the 250's & the Burgman.
Note: my mother's starter bike (still has it) was and is a 650cc Suzuki Savage!
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Post by payneib on Apr 2, 2013 20:42:20 GMT -5
IMHO, a sub 3000LBS 150cc is the perfect entry bike. Are these 3000lbs scoots painted various shades of "drab olive" and fitted with large guns?! Sorry, couldn't resist...... Ian
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Post by shalomrider on Apr 2, 2013 23:09:59 GMT -5
Note: my mother's starter bike (still has it) was and is a 650cc Suzuki Savage![/quote]
howdy, not to burst the bubble or anything but the ladies are more likely to live through starting on a large motorcycle than the average testosterone bag who gets overconfident and drives beyond his experience level.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya
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Post by xylon on Apr 3, 2013 4:17:17 GMT -5
I've never ridden a 400 but my old 50cc was easier to ride than my 125. And it was easier to park it since I could just pick it up and put it where I wanted it. I miss it's agile handling.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 3, 2013 7:19:12 GMT -5
Kindly refrain from projecting your own faults on me, please.
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Post by imnts2 on Apr 3, 2013 7:46:32 GMT -5
For various reasons, I like the Yamaha Majesty a bit better but both scoots are my recommendation for both your fisrt and last scoot. It is strong enough to go anywhere darn near anytime and carry all you can get on it and will darn near run forever. Yes, fixing is going to cost more than the cheap scoots, but they are worth fixing and when fixed, stay fixed. Glad to have you with us.
If you ever need to tear one apart, you will find why they coast more and are worth it.
Congratulations. You only get what you pay for. Onlyt mom and Pop give you more than that. There are pelntly eager to give you less.
Cheers
lefty2
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Post by Jarlaxle on Apr 3, 2013 8:31:29 GMT -5
Its a.simple problem: Bergs & Majestys are pricey! If I cant afford one...Im probably going Chinese. Id love a scoot I can ride for 5+ years with minimal trouble, like a Bergman.
Does Honda make anything in the 250-400cc range? All I see are little (50-150cc) scoots & Silverwings.
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