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Post by gy6fandan on Jun 10, 2014 18:08:26 GMT -5
Hello, Cant figure out if fact or fiction ---> A bigger (taller) rear wheel increases speed ? - True or false If true, I have 130/60-13 rear tires on gy6 150 long case (157QMJ). Tried to find 130/60-16 and 130/60-17 on internet for "rear" -- no luck - anyone have any clues ? Also, If speed would be increased by a larger tire I wonder what the MPH increase would be. Thanks.
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Post by JerryScript on Jun 10, 2014 18:39:07 GMT -5
Speed can be increased, but only if the engine has enough torque to overcome the higher ratio. Better off changing gears than changing wheel diameter if you want to increase top end speed.
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Post by gy6fandan on Jun 10, 2014 18:42:12 GMT -5
torque ? what constitutes / calculates torque ?
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Post by gy6fandan on Jun 10, 2014 19:19:05 GMT -5
Well, since torque has been brought up... I wonder if any of my mods would affect my torque ??
I have recently swapped my final gears to 15/36. Other upgrades include sparkplug, cdi - no rev limit, high ignition coil, dumped air filter box for uni-filter, motorio "dual ramp" 115mm variator (17/13 gram sliders mix), stock clutch with 1500rpm contra spring and... thats about it.
So would a bigger rear tire do anything.... the final gear swap only lowered my rpm's - top speed is 55 on the scooters dash board. 55 mph @ 6k rpm
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Post by buford1488 on Jun 10, 2014 19:25:08 GMT -5
bigger tire will make it scream sooner.....it will not give you more speed..it will hurt top end..it helps a lil on bottom end..
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 10, 2014 19:28:05 GMT -5
Take those mixed weights out they really do not work as you would think. Just so you know your rpms are LOW for a 150. A 150 if it is the GY6 157QMJ motor which is very common makes it's max horsepower right around 7500 rpms. So get your rpms up by putting in 11 or 12 gram weights that is what usually works great with the 150s. Even all the 13 grams would do better than the 17/13 mix setup. Alleyoop
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Post by gy6fandan on Jun 10, 2014 19:45:53 GMT -5
Thanks -----> ALLEYOOP & BUFORD1488
The Motorio variator has S/L (short / long) ramps .... but I will give it a try.
ODDLY, I can only get my 842 belt to ride 1/2" below the variator edge .... even with the 17 gram weights. no higher ?
But I will try tuning with all 13 gram sliders and tune from there a bit and see what happens.
Thanks again.
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Post by jerseyboy on Jun 10, 2014 20:03:11 GMT -5
Bigger wheel less RPM at same speed,,if you have enough HP to push it like said earlier,,yes it will increase top speed. Smaller tire,more low end,higher RPM at same speed..I think Buford was thinking sprocket size on a motorcycle..
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 10, 2014 20:09:38 GMT -5
Just an F.Y.I those SHORT AND LONG ramp variators are not really good for 2 wheel scoots they are more for KARTS to get low end power in the mud, sand or grass or whatever but they are not for TOP END SPEED. Alleyoop
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Post by rockynv on Jun 10, 2014 23:42:34 GMT -5
Hello, Cant figure out if fact or fiction ---> A bigger (taller) rear wheel increases speed ? - True or false If true, I have 130/60-13 rear tires on gy6 150 long case (157QMJ). Tried to find 130/60-16 and 130/60-17 on internet for "rear" -- no luck - anyone have any clues ? Also, If speed would be increased by a larger tire I wonder what the MPH increase would be. Thanks. Usually you would only go one up on the series for potentially a 5% to maybe 10% increase in top end if your bike has enough hp and tourque at the rear wheel to handle it. You would be talking 130/70-13 or if there was enough room maybe a 130/80-13 if they are even available. The tradeoff afterwards on a 150 is that you would be more prone to losing speed to headwinds and going up hills. A 130/60-16 or 130/60-17 would require larger diameter rims which would add a bit to the cost too. Somtimes keeping the rollers around 12 or 13 grams and going up to the next larger diameter or to sliders will get your belt further out on the drive pully faces and have a greater effect. Me I traded up to a 250 instead instead of putting a bunch of cash into my 150. Got the speed and better fuel economy in the bargain along with 15 inch rims. Honestly though even when you get what you thought you wanted then you will still end up wanting more. Some have commented that what I have reported about the Aprilia is more like what you'd expect from a 650cc motorcycle and after riding along side then leap frogging a 600cc Suzuki Bandit for some time I can say that would be a fair assesment as it took him about 15 minutes to catch up after I passed him on a 65/70 mph road. I didn't know him and he just had to find out about the scooter that he was chasing after so we had a nice chat at the stop light when he finally caught up. He thought I had a 750 which I found a bit humerous. Still I do at times finding myself wanting more (acceleration and hill climbing ability) even though the bike has proven capable of speeds approaching 100 mph.
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Post by millsc on Jun 10, 2014 23:55:05 GMT -5
I replaced my stock tires with pirelles they where the same size, but the pirellies are taller than the China cheapies my tire is now on the ground on the center stand where it wasn't with China tires. It may be faster it may not be, but it made my speedo more accurate.
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Post by buford1488 on Jun 11, 2014 6:32:31 GMT -5
yea i was thinking gear millsc....thanks
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Post by geh3333 on Jun 14, 2014 0:36:37 GMT -5
U may want to try a longer belt with that variator . I once bought an 847 but it had to much play at takeoff and I didn't see any difference at top end . But depending on the variator it may work better . Especially if u have 1/2 inch left on it . I think the 847 would work better on the last variator I bought since the belt starts higher in the variator and lower in the clutch that would've tightened up the slack in the 847 .
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