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Post by Chaapa'ai on Feb 4, 2014 12:14:14 GMT -5
Once again i am happy to have read another one of your always awesome post's! i am very thankful you added this info as i did not realize that i had access to this grade of gasoline i've been running with Octane with ethanol 15 Clearwater VP RACING 100 110 7 Days Lp Gas 1400 N Hercules Ave this will be awesome seeing as though i just ordered a new cheapo big bore kit for my adly better to run higher grade gas and oil with a questionable quality cylinder and piston or at least that is my Simi-educated assumption EDIT: Instant bad new's google maps street view shows an empty closed down station with no pumps looks like i will be using grade, at least it is ethanol free! Dunedin CITGO Quick Nick's Citgo [727-734-3735] 840 Broadway
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Post by rockynv on Feb 5, 2014 11:29:25 GMT -5
Seafoam will prevent one from having trouble. Or so I hear.. But no, I have never had trouble with ethanol. Actually Seafoam since it is alcohol based can make things worse. Most people don't realise when they have suffered from ethanol. My fuel pump went bad, cheap fuel filter failed, lousy fuel level float, junky carb they put in my scoot, vacuum fuel valve went bad, rusty gas tank, clogged carb jets, etc these are more times than people realise due to ethanol issues. As they start pushing E15 things will continue to get worse.
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Post by scooter12 on Feb 5, 2014 16:25:25 GMT -5
Well, they best keep there E15 away from my scooter.. I mean, best not go nationalwide as the best fuel for vehicles.. This would suck.. I use some parts of lawn mowers( fuel filters). Some hoses for automobiles for fuel lines. Don't use the cheap hoses that come with these scooters.
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Post by skuttadawg on Feb 27, 2014 21:52:16 GMT -5
I only use premium gas and I try to go where each grade has its own hose to avoid getting any 87 left in the line . Again my dealer had me sign a paper during the PDI that also said to only use premium . I know many say the use 87 with no issues , well day two with my first China scooter I got 87 by mistake . I was distracted by a pretty lady and hit the wrong button . I did not think it would matter that much . Well just over a mile later poof the piston cracked causing an instant loss of compression and power . I pulled over to see if I the spark plug wire came loose or if a hose did . I started it up and crept home . I took it to my dealer the next day since it was brand new and under warranty . My dealer asked if I used premium and me being honest I told him I put in 87 . He reminded me of our paperwork . I thought I was SOL but luckily he rebuilt the engine for free as I was having a mental meltdown . I have had around 30 mopeds , a mini bike , off road motorcycles , and street bikes and never once had a piston problem . I was a wild teen and rode everything like I stole it . After that I have only used premium every single time . I do use Shell and Quick Trip since they are close by , but I try to make my routes where the nonethanol stations are . I only go to trusted places as one time when I was in the country riding around I stopped at a station and the gas had some water in it .
Seafoam is great to use a tiny bit here and there to keep it clean . One would use more if the fuel system needed to be cleaned . If so follow up by removing the jets and clean by hand .
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Post by SylvreKat on Feb 27, 2014 22:55:45 GMT -5
Back decades ago when they were trying to push gasohol, Dad got a tank-full that had its proportions seriously jacked. I don't remember what the symptoms were (I was really young). But I do remember Dad coming back from the mechanic and telling Mom they had to replace pretty much everything that gas came in contact with--including the tank. It apparently was eating through everything. And all it took was one tank of too-high additive.
Car never did run quite right after that.
Hey, you olders--what was it they added to gasohol, anyway? And why is it they can cram crapanol down our fuel lines today, when they couldn't force gasohol on us back then?
>'Kat
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Post by alleyoop on Feb 27, 2014 23:13:47 GMT -5
Never heard so much to do about nothing, just about every gas station their blends have Ethanol up to 10%. On my trike been using Shell over 40 years in my cars and now my trike. I have YET to have to clean my carb for anything, I do use seafoam 1 oz per gallon and every gallon not just once every other time. I pour 4 1/2 oz of seafoam in my 5 gallon gas can and then fill it with 4 1/2 gallon of gas. Been doing this since june of 2009 when I got the trike and not one bit of a problem. As a matter of fact the original fuel lines and vacuum lines are still on there and I have almost 11,000 miles on it.
The ones that get bit are the ones that go to the cheap gas stations, think, why do you think their gas is much cheaper than the well known brands Its the mixture they use, you get what you pay for. Alleyoop
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Post by JR on Mar 1, 2014 12:14:10 GMT -5
Never heard so much to do about nothing, just about every gas station their blends have Ethanol up to 10%. On my trike been using Shell over 40 years in my cars and now my trike. I have YET to have to clean my carb for anything, I do use seafoam 1 oz per gallon and every gallon not just once every other time. I pour 4 1/2 oz of seafoam in my 5 gallon gas can and then fill it with 4 1/2 gallon of gas. Been doing this since june of 2009 when I got the trike and not one bit of a problem. As a matter of fact the original fuel lines and vacuum lines are still on there and I have almost 11,000 miles on it. The ones that get bit are the ones that go to the cheap gas stations, think, why do you think their gas is much cheaper than the well known brands Its the mixture they use, you get what you pay for. Alleyoop Went to my local Shell this past summer, almost ended up walking! Even told you about, it drained tank and scooter and got nearly a pint of water out of a 3 gallon tank, they use ethanol. (puke)Only reason I stopped there is because I wasn't paying attention to the fuel gauge and passed by the "real" gas station that doesn't sell the watered down gas.
I only put a tad of seafoam in maybe 3 times a year, throw it away, use ethanol Shell for a year and then report back and let us know how she's doing and don't let your tools rust so they'll be handy to clean the gunk out of that old carb! Especially let it sit for the winter with that good old whisky blend gas and see how she acts when spring comes, and don't use any seafoam either. Corn has a lot of good uses, gas isn't one of them.
Also just for kicks put one gallon of Shell in a gas can this fall, no additives, just sit it on the shelf in the garage, wait to say April, open it up, take a good smell of it, poor it out slowly into something glass that you can see through, watch what you find in the bottom, do the same with a gallon of non-ethanol gas if you can find any at all and compare. 40 years ago Shell sold real gas and you remember this too, didn't need seafoam then cause you weren't worried about water or corn.
Only corn you used was to eat and be merry with!
JR
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 1, 2014 14:07:15 GMT -5
Well your experience is because out in the boonies they get away with no inspections so the owners get away with stuff like that. Around here the gas stations get inspected to make sure their gas it up to par. I would bet that most will go and fill up with the cheapest stuff they can find then when it starts to sputter and not burn right they complain(YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR). Then on top of that they go and buy an additive which by the way are not cheap. So the money they spent on the cheap gas and the additive you could have spent on a better grade of gas and not have any problems. Amazing how this stuff works ain't it I agree years ago no corn additives used to run SUNOCO at the dragstrip, but now a days around here cheap gas with who knows what is in there so i stick with shell like I said for over 40 years and not one single problem. Even my snowblower sits all year round in the shed with gas in it and bring it out in the winter and it starts right up runs like a top. So this leave it sit and what not is nothing more than someone's own fault allowing water and condensation to accumulate then they blame the gas, GOT'S TO USE YOUR CABEZA This is just like which oil is best another topic that is all in the perception of the user. Alleyoop
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Post by JR on Mar 1, 2014 14:41:35 GMT -5
Well your experience is because out in the boonies they get away with no inspections so the owners get away with stuff like that. Around here the gas stations get inspected to make sure their gas it up to par. I would bet that most will go and fill up with the cheapest stuff they can find then when it starts to sputter and not burn right they complain(YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR). Then on top of that they go and buy an additive which by the way are not cheap. So the money they spent on the cheap gas and the additive you could have spent on a better grade of gas and not have any problems. Amazing how this stuff works ain't it I agree years ago no corn additives used to run SUNOCO at the dragstrip, but now a days around here cheap gas with who knows what is in there so i stick with shell like I said for over 40 years and not one single problem. Even my snowblower sits all year round in the shed with gas in it and bring it out in the winter and it starts right up runs like a top. So this leave it sit and what not is nothing more than someone's own fault allowing water and condensation to accumulate then they blame the gas, GOT'S TO USE YOUR CABEZA This is just like which oil is best another topic that is all in the perception of the user. Alleyoop Nope that's not going to work, this Shell station is in town right by one of the busiest interstates in the country Int 40 and besides the gas Shell brings to stations in Chicago is the same Shell gas company that visits Arkieland, that dog won't hunt. Shell is Shell and if they're gas is quality then it needs no inspections of any kind.
Snowblower? How much seafoam is in it? Again go buy gas in "any" station in Chicago, put it in a tightly sealed can or see through jar, sit in in the garage for 6 months and watch it separate and some water be left in the bottom of the container. BTW the day I bought the Shell with the pint of water I paid $3.59 per gallon and I didn't pay for water, had I not had my head in my lower region I could have bought real gas for $3.29 per gallon and that's no perception, it's a reality.
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Post by alleyoop on Mar 1, 2014 15:01:10 GMT -5
Don't know about gas stations in Arkie, but every gas station here has a sticker when it was inspected, its called consumer protection, maybe some states don't give a hoot. , so you all be careful out there
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Post by SylvreKat on Mar 1, 2014 23:54:12 GMT -5
I've posted before, that gas is NOT gas is gas. With Conoco/Phillips, I'd get about 12 mpg in the wagon. With Shell or BP, I averaged around 18ish. Haven't figured since going crapanol-free. Maybe if I'm snowed in tomorrow I'll bring in the book and do some math. As for leaving it sit, that's what my scooter pretty much does. Sits all extended winter. No additive, not unless my mech added some for me. So far (and knock on the cedar chest) he starts up fine in the spring, just needing to idle and rev a bit 'cause the gas is old. Wait, that was last spring when the BP gas was over a year old. Like fall a year ago old. If the snow ever goes away and the roads get cleaned of winter-debris and I get to ride again, I'll let you know how he starts up this spring. If I remember. >'Kat
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Post by rockynv on Mar 2, 2014 9:53:22 GMT -5
Usually the gas pump inspection is just for weights and measures to ensure a gallon pours out of the hose for everyone you pay for and that the safety features are in good order
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Post by tarkus on Mar 2, 2014 10:07:11 GMT -5
Back decades ago when they were trying to push gasohol, Dad got a tank-full that had its proportions seriously jacked. I don't remember what the symptoms were (I was really young). But I do remember Dad coming back from the mechanic and telling Mom they had to replace pretty much everything that gas came in contact with--including the tank. It apparently was eating through everything. And all it took was one tank of too-high additive. Car never did run quite right after that. Hey, you olders--what was it they added to gasohol, anyway? And why is it they can cram crapanol down our fuel lines today, when they couldn't force gasohol on us back then?>'Kat Back in the gasohol days it was a true "green agenda" that had little legal bite. Now the politicos in the big corn producing states have cut deals with their cronies to move an overload of corn. Making alcohol and adding it to the fuel supply has a way of moving huge volumes of corn, and keeping those states economy going. Now the Feds are using "green" as an an excuse for mandating E10. So they produce even more corn and that brings us to.... E15 coming soon.
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Post by SylvreKat on Mar 2, 2014 13:47:33 GMT -5
Hey thanks, tarkus. At least I now know the why of crapanol. All comes down to politics anymore, doesn't it. Sigh.
So was gasohol basically the same thing as ethanol is today? Just without the political backing to force-feed it?
>'Kat
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Post by tarkus on Mar 2, 2014 15:36:09 GMT -5
Yes. I should also add energy independence as another excuse for the force feed. Maybe they though that rehashing the work gasohol wasn't good pr.....
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