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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 2, 2013 23:14:25 GMT -5
Nope not hostile ....just using your same logic in a hypothetical situation that is all to real and happens far more times .
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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 2, 2013 23:24:50 GMT -5
Enough said ....I'm not going to continue posting only to read on how so many of you jump at the chance to kill and maim . It's "scary" to think that you would use deadly force on someone else instead of trying to dissolve a situation . I have said over and over I was for them to have givin chase but also in those same posts to have called the police so as not to let the SUV driver get away with hit and run . Pulling him over to beat him up was wrong as was him running over them and the dude got way more than a broken leg ...he is paralyzed . How can you say he deserved that  What because he had a record ? He didn't threaten the driver with deadly force by stopping in front of him . The whole situation got escalated when the SUV driver chose to use deadly force . He should be charged also. And by the way I do know quite a bit about theology as I was a minister for ten years and work as a teacher here in a Christian school , if your going to try and say something about how you warp the bible to fit your point of view I take great offense . There is a reason why it's not allowed to be discussed in here . |
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Post by spandi on Oct 2, 2013 23:58:33 GMT -5
I've had nuts riding my bumper and run me off the road (and believe me this was no "game" on my part) but I still don't think that warrants bashing in a car window and violently beating and slashing someone. But I do wish there had been a police patrol car nearby.
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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 3, 2013 0:33:07 GMT -5
Agreed , the old saying of could have , should have , would have .......many things should have been done but when thinking off the bat like both parties did was wrong . Violence didn't solve anything , it only got one guy getting paralyzed and one getting beaten and cut severely and a family scared .
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Post by JerryScript on Oct 3, 2013 0:37:52 GMT -5
I've had nuts riding my bumper and run me off the road (and believe me this was no "game" on my part) but I still don't think that warrants bashing in a car window and violently beating and slashing someone. But I do wish there had been a police patrol car nearby. Rage, it can make you do things you would never imagine doing otherwise. About 10 years ago, I was riding down the strip in vegas on my bicycle, I used to ride the strip for exercise and people watching. On this particular day, I was riding by several businesses with parking lot entrances, and saw a truck stopped at one waiting to enter the road. I looked directly into the drivers eyes as I approached, and it appeared as if he was looking directly back at me, his eyes appearing to track me. As soon as I started to go by him, he hit the gas, and hit me, knocking me into the street. Thank goodness there was no other traffic coming, so I was not run over, and only had a couple of scraps, but my bicycle frame was bent pretty good. I looked at it in the street, looked up at him thinking "You were looking right at me, how could you have hit me?!?" and rage took over. I picked up my bent bicycle, and slammed it onto the hood of his truck. He hit the gas, and I held onto the bicycle long enough to scrap his paint up good, but let go quick enough to keep from getting injured. He sped off, leaving me there fuming. I have never been in a non-alcohol related fight, and those were 25 years ago in college when I was more of an idiot than today. This incident of road rage was something I have not felt before or since. It's amazing how your emotions can take over when your life is threatened. It would be hard for me to convict the SUV driver if I was on a jury! |
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Post by rockynv on Oct 3, 2013 3:32:03 GMT -5
Imagine you are being forced to stop by a group of bikers who have been bumping you and threatening you, your wife is trying to call 911 but tells you she can't get through the lines are all busy, your daughter is screaming daddy their slashing the tires and then Mr. M the turns and looks you in the face. Meet Mr M (far left photo below):  |
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Post by danno on Oct 3, 2013 4:53:27 GMT -5
The whole situation got escalated when the SUV driver chose to use deadly force . He should be charged also. This whole thing was escalated when the one biker showed his aggressive intent when he used his "braking trick." inches in front of the SUV. However, unlike most "road rage" incidents, this was NOT a one on one, between one car and one rider. If it were, I'd agree that the driver went too far. But, that's not what happened here. There were a horde of bikers acting very aggressively. I can only imagine the driver would be overwhelmed by the INTENT of what these bikers were trying to do to him and his family. He was completely surrounded. Anyone in his situation would be understandably in fear not being able to keep their eyes on every potential threat.....from his rear......from both sides....and in front of his vehicle. A few of you seem hung up on the biker getting badly hurt. First of all, I don't take any pleasure in seeing the one biker who is now paralyzed, "deserve what he got." At the same time, if you purposely place yourself in front of a truck which the occupants are being threatened, then you have to take some responsibility for purposely putting yourself in a dangerous situation. Again, the law is about INTENT. What was the drivers intent when he took off. His intent was not to hurt anyone, his intent was to end the threat on his family by creating distance between him and the bikes. As far as he was concerned ALL the bikers were a threat to him. And by the way I do know quite a bit about theology as I was a minister for ten years and work as a teacher here in a Christian school , if your going to try and say something about how you warp the bible to fit your point of view I take great offense . There is a reason why it's not allowed to be discussed in here . I have no idea why you are offended...I didn't state a POV...I stated a fact. Peter and the others followers carried swords on their sides.It's not an opinion, it's a fact that is written in the Bible for anyone to read for themselves.Let's end the Bible discussion now. It's been suggested that this could have ended peacefully if different choices were made. If you're one who holds this pov, I'd like to hear how you would have ended it peacefully, assuming you were the driver with your family in the car being threatened by dozens of motorcycle riders?. Scootwinn suggested slowly pulling away....I think if he tried a slow get away, they would have done what the ended up doing anyway. Beating and slashing him. |
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Post by tarkus on Oct 3, 2013 5:06:36 GMT -5
Sorry guys but I still maintain he could of threatened with the deadly force before using it. If he had jump forward just a bit and then gave them just a second to jump out of the way before continuing it might of saved a bit of flesh (animal flesh according to the general consensus but flesh none the less). It is not ok to defend property with deadly force. If he hadn't run those guys over the only damage may have been to a fully insured vehicle. You guys don't know what those guys had planned. I don't see any attempt to harm the occupants until after the smashing of the "subhuman animals". The violent escape escalated the violence instead of ceasing it. No one needs to agree with me really but I like to think I'm a Christian, so for me I will always seek a non violent way the rest of you can follow your own ethical path but for me I couldn't just kill and maim people like that I just don't have it in me any more. Each person has their own way I chose peace even in the face of violence. I know YOU could have talked it thru. In earlier posts you tell how you were once a holligan. Then you asked who hadn't threatend someone when they were young. Now you are a Christian. I for one never threatened anyone young or not. Never been in jail or even close so the idea that all of us have a past is an obsurdity. So I guess you weren't a Christian when you wer a young dumb thug, just "lost". Maybe reborn in jail who knows. Well sir as a fellow Christian I can say we might pray for the misguided souls on the bikes and we will "turn the other cheek" but we would not defend those un christian like acts as you chose to. I was originally offended as a cyclist but am now more offended as a Christian. |
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Post by danno on Oct 3, 2013 5:12:02 GMT -5
Just a thought.....we're gettng personal. If too many people are being offended, it will likely get this thread shut down.....Let's not go there.  |
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Post by tarkus on Oct 3, 2013 5:15:00 GMT -5
Enough said ....I'm not going to continue posting only to read on how so many of you jump at the chance to kill and maim . It's "scary" to think that you would use deadly force on someone else instead of trying to dissolve a situation . I have said over and over I was for them to have givin chase but also in those same posts to have called the police so as not to let the SUV driver get away with hit and run . Pulling him over to beat him up was wrong as was him running over them and the dude got way more than a broken leg ...he is paralyzed . How can you say he deserved that What because he had a record ? He didn't threaten the driver with deadly force by stopping in front of him . The whole situation got escalated when the SUV driver chose to use deadly force . He should be charged also. And by the way I do know quite a bit about theology as I was a minister for ten years and work as a teacher here in a Christian school , if your going to try and say something about how you warp the bible to fit your point of view I take great offense . There is a reason why it's not allowed to be discussed in here . How very convenient. First you defend your point by telling of all your close friends killed and maimed by the cagers to support your view. Now your a minister to support your view. I love the Internet , here you can be all you can be. and you close with "that's why it isn't allowed to be discussed here" after piling on with religion. To be clear I don't belive you. |
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Post by tarkus on Oct 3, 2013 5:16:49 GMT -5
Just a thought.....we're gettng personal. If too many people are being offended, it will likely get this thread shut down.....Let's not go there. Your correct. To the mods please don't lock this thread, just ban me or shut down my account. Thank you and goodnight. |
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Post by buford1488 on Oct 3, 2013 5:31:28 GMT -5
i think it's time to delete this post..all we are doing here is getting up set with one another....let's talk about scooters..just my opinion....thanks be safe out there .....................buford..
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Post by earlylight160 on Oct 3, 2013 8:43:32 GMT -5
Agreed!
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Post by danno on Oct 4, 2013 4:09:33 GMT -5
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 4, 2013 6:45:51 GMT -5
What is an idot?
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