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Post by tvnacman on Oct 2, 2013 18:22:59 GMT -5
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Post by tarkus on Oct 2, 2013 18:31:07 GMT -5
Soooo a cager slams into you or your buddy when you are doing nothing other than enjoying a nice days ride , leaving you for dead .....you don't have the right to "defend yourself " by any means necessary  You talk of taking extraordinary measures to defend yourself well ..... Keep going, no hostilities there. Yes they were enjoying a nice days ride............ I know I know, I misread your meaning again. |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 18:39:46 GMT -5
Soooo a cager slams into you or your buddy when you are doing nothing other than enjoying a nice days ride , leaving you for dead .....you don't have the right to "defend yourself " by any means necessary You talk of taking extraordinary measures to defend yourself well ..... Seriously? Is that what you see in this video? A group of bikers minding their own business "enjoying a nice day ride?" When those riders started to chase the SUV, that's not "defending yourself" ....That was a vigilante mob. |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 19:19:20 GMT -5
I think you guys are kind of proud of him though for "taking care of business" and crushing anything and everything in his path regardless of the cost. Some guy loses the ability to walk and you applaud it and even say it would be better if he died. Human life is more valuable than that. I was a hooligan once and made some bad choices do I deserve a wheel chair or the electric chair? I guess you all have always been perfect citizens. Never threatened anyone in your youth or otherwise so you can judge these "subhumans". Pretty sad really all around. I can't fault the SUV driver for fleeing in an effort to save his family from an out of control mob."Talking it out" definitely didn't seem like an option. On the other hand, when one purposely places their few hundred pound bike in front of a several thousand pound vehicle, you have chosen to take on the risk of possible getting run over by the SUV. In desperate situations, people do desperate things. This farther and husband felt desperate to separate himself from this angry mob. The bike rider has to take personal responsibility for purposely placing himself in front of the SUV. IN this situation, I see the SUV as a weapon no different than a gun. When an angry mob is threatening you and your family, you have every right to defend yourself and your family. You have every right to stop the threat. If you're stupid enough to place yourself in front of the SUV/(gun)driven by a person who life is being threatened, then you're accepting the consequences of whatever happens to you. imo... |
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 2, 2013 19:45:08 GMT -5
Sorry guys but I still maintain he could of threatened with the deadly force before using it. If he had jump forward just a bit and then gave them just a second to jump out of the way before continuing it might of saved a bit of flesh (animal flesh according to the general consensus but flesh none the less). It is not ok to defend property with deadly force. If he hadn't run those guys over the only damage may have been to a fully insured vehicle. You guys don't know what those guys had planned. I don't see any attempt to harm the occupants until after the smashing of the "subhuman animals". The violent escape escalated the violence instead of ceasing it. No one needs to agree with me really but I like to think I'm a Christian, so for me I will always seek a non violent way the rest of you can follow your own ethical path but for me I couldn't just kill and maim people like that I just don't have it in me any more. Each person has their own way I chose peace even in the face of violence.
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Post by pgs on Oct 2, 2013 19:46:44 GMT -5
they guy on the bike bike cut the suv off and slammed his breaks on and got hit by the suv, the suv stopped after he hit him and was attacked by a group of the riders they had been harassing other vehicles and him, when they attacked his vehicle that is when he plowed through the bikes and tried to get away and was finally chased down and beaten, the biker he hit had got a broken leg from being hit, they are also linking the group to another ride like this where they were harassing drivers last year , cover their plates so not to be caught and riding dirt bikes and quads, all they did was to give other riders a bad name, every time someone sees someone on a bike they will be thinking that person is a thug and going to act like them just another loss for everyone that rides
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Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 2, 2013 20:12:04 GMT -5
The idiot on the bike did a "swoop and squat". The pack of feral animals then attacked. Again: this video is the best argument I have ever seen for legalizing sawed-off shotguns!
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Post by Jarlaxle on Oct 2, 2013 20:13:45 GMT -5
Murder? For what? They didn't run him over. The guy in the SUV did. The SUV Driver is fine now... I'm not sure if it's federal or state law, so this may not apply in all states, but if a death occurs during the commission of a crime, the offender can be charged with murder. Not sure if it's murder or homicide or some other legal term, I'm no lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last nite!  If someone dies in the commission of a felony, anyone involved in that felony is guilty of murder, usually first-degree. This HAS BEEN used to charge people who have tried to rob people and had their accomplice killed! |
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Post by sailracer on Oct 2, 2013 20:15:13 GMT -5
That was Jack Elam as Dr. Nicholas Van Helsing |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 20:19:57 GMT -5
It is not ok to defend property with deadly force. In Texas it is. law.onecle.com/texas/penal/9.42.00.htmlBut, this didn't occur in Texas, besides I don't think he was trying to protect his truck..."just" his family. Nor should anyone be required to wait until their plan was put in place before reacting. The law is all about "intent" If you feel threatened someone is about to do great bodily harm to you, then you have every right by law to stop the threat even using deadly force to do it. That's the law. It would be foolish for anyone to wait and see if they actually do follow through with their threat.BY that time you might be unconscious or even dead. Prior to him running over the biker, it's reasonable to believe the guy felt he and his family were in a desperate and threatening situation. I personally don't think there was any other choice but to get out of there as quick as possible.These bikers were stopped and some were off their bikes in the middle of the West Side Hwy.Their actions were very aggressive.They weren't about to have a reasonable conversation. This was a mob mentality against a man his wife and a two year old. As a Christian, my priority is to protect my family against the angry mob. Once you're out of harms way...then you can pray for them. ;-) |
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 20:59:03 GMT -5
I'm a Christian, so for me I will always seek a non violent way....Each person has their own way I chose peace even in the face of violence. I can only hope and pray that you're never in a situation where someone is threatening your life or someone in your family's life, and you choose to give peace a chance. Just a note...Jesus disciples believed in "open carry." We read that Peter had a sword.There are also other verses where Jesus refers to His followers swords. |
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 2, 2013 22:21:28 GMT -5
Danno don't worry "His eye is on the sparrow" right? Jesus never refers to his followers swords favorably and also His followers had a number of wrong ideas at the time of His arrest. Anyway the forum forbids theological discussion and for good reason. You know my number call me and I can explain my reasoning...
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Post by rockynv on Oct 2, 2013 22:22:03 GMT -5
Let's see basically an outlaw ride in which they were riding opposite the flow of traffic on multiple occasions while harrasing numerous motorists and caused over 200 calls to 911 to be made tying up police responders. The "poor biker" crippled (Mr M..) is a known repeat offender who has not had a drivers license since 1999, has traffic warrants on him in multiple states and was already before this incident blocked from getting a drivers license nationally until 2017.
The police caught up with the group in Times Square as the bikers tried to take it over where 68 tickets were issued to the riders in the group and 55 bikes were then impounded.
The ride was nothing less than an act of terrorism by a group of out-of-control bikers. While they tried to cover their tracks by removing the condemming videos that the bikers had originally posted for their groups entertainment the videos had already been copied and conserved so that they are now available for review by the public and authorities.
Now we all have to be more carefull riding as all bikers regardless of what you ride, motorcycle or scooter, are now being viewed in a negative light due to theses riders.
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 2, 2013 22:23:15 GMT -5
Oh and I have had my life threatened before, peace worked. More than once...
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 2, 2013 22:28:01 GMT -5
I just want to be clear I am in no way saying the bikers were right. I just have a problem with people saying a repeated traffic offender deserves to die even if he was wrong, again. I take no pleasure in violence even when bad guys are the receivers. It stinks every way you look at it.
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