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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 2, 2013 13:34:53 GMT -5
And that's giving chase and call the police letting them know were the guy that just hit and ran is going . And that's it , chase and report while all the time on the phone or something.
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 2, 2013 13:57:33 GMT -5
Ya it's interesting how many of the folks on here "against vigilante justice" advocate shooting people or running them down the second they feel threatened. I don't carry a gun or any other weapon. I won't intentionally run people over either. The introduction of additional violence or weapons will only make the violence worse. I imagine there was a way to talk this through. I don't believe that he necessarily was singled out for this harassment randomly either but who knows. How can you guys say they shouldn't have taken matters into their own hands and in the same post say you would happily kill as many as you could if they threatened you?? Weird. I don't think either the bikers or the SUV handled this well and I think the SUV driver might have a need for some justice too... It seems if he had pulled forward a little slower or in spurts folks would have moved and he still would have been able to break free hurting only bikes and not people too. I think you guys are kind of proud of him though for "taking care of business" and crushing anything and everything in his path regardless of the cost. Some guy loses the ability to walk and you applaud it and even say it would be better if he died. Human life is more valuable than that. I was a hooligan once and made some bad choices do I deserve a wheel chair or the electric chair? I guess you all have always been perfect citizens. Never threatened anyone in your youth or otherwise so you can judge these "subhumans". Pretty sad really all around.
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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 2, 2013 14:02:47 GMT -5
. What he said
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 14:38:42 GMT -5
Who has the right to take any life ? We all have the right to take a life if someone is trying to take our own. I have the right to protect myself with deadly force, if someone is attacking me and I believe it's serious enough to possible cause my death or serious bodily harm. The important thing to remember is, you'll likely have to be able to get 12 jurors to agree with you. If you can't do that, then it doesn't matter what you thought at the time. I've read a lot of people on here and other sites talking about pulling out their guns and shooting. First of all, no matter how justified you think you are to defends yourself, pulling that trigger and hitting another human and possible killing them, will change your life forever, no matter how justified you were in doing it. Be prepared also to spend 10's of thousands of dollars on lawyers. Don't be so flippant to think pulling out a pistol and shooting is a simple solution in a case like this. I do carry. But it's the last thing I ever will want to do, is use it. If fleeing is an option....take it.
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Post by sailracer on Oct 2, 2013 14:49:13 GMT -5
Here is a "rhetorical question: If any of you were in the car immediately behind this,and witnessed the bikers cut him off and swarm his car, Remember, he DID stop,and then was attacked. What would you do? knowing there was an innocent woman and child in that vehicle, would you try to give aid to the driver of the suv?I know I would at least call 911, from there, who knows?Remember, The people in the suv are the victims here, and no doubt emotionally scarred for the rest of their lives. Vigilante justice? I don't know , but I bet a few of you would be "(DISABLING)" some bikes too.I would certainly entertain the thought.
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Post by danno on Oct 2, 2013 14:55:22 GMT -5
Here is a "rhetorical question: If any of you were in the car immediately behind this,and witnessed the bikers cut him off and swarm his car, Remember, he DID stop,and then was attacked. What would you do? knowing there was an innocent woman and child in that vehicle, would you try to give aid to the driver of the suv?I know I would at least call 911, from there, who knows?Remember, The people in the suv are the victims here, and no doubt emotionally scarred for the rest of their lives. Vigilante justice? I don't know , but I bet a few of you would be "(DISABLING)" some bikes too.I would certainly entertain the thought. Call 911 and be a good witness...write down descriptions of person....their clothing and license plates #'s if possible.
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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 2, 2013 14:59:38 GMT -5
Sorry you feel that way Kat , I don't have hate or prejudice towards cagers like you think I do ......never ment nor said I did . I call a cager a cager for it is what they are . An idiot cager is an idiot cager .....never said everyone was an idiot lol. And the comment of brothers running them down and taking care of business seems everyone read into that more than they needed too ........I also said to give chase ....taking care of business was simple ...call the police and not let the guy who just hit and ran get away with it . Simple enough , never did I condone what the bikers did but nor do I condone the SUV driver running over them either . Hope that clears some of this hostile air some people seem to have on here .
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Post by tarkus on Oct 2, 2013 15:20:01 GMT -5
But the video doesn't show the entire story only what they did. I have read reports from other newspapers that the car had hit one of the bikers way befor you see it in the video .When he hit the biker they went to chase and that's when you see the video start . The guy stopping I front of the SUV in the beginning of the video is when they first pulled him over after he hit another biker in the first place . How many times has a cager threatened your life with them not looking were they are going ? My ex was going to collage on her honda cb400 once and a car load of ditsy blondes pulled out I front of her causeing her to wreck and total the bike . The ditsy blondes we like ."...oops so sorry we didn't see you ha ha ha ..." And sped away . I have had close calls myself and I have been to many biker rallies and ridden in pacs and have seen to many times the stupid cagers dont even bother to look or claim they didn't see you . Lost a couple friends that way too. Is it right what they did .....well I won't say yes or no but I have been in that situation to often and yes in the old days that happened several times . This isn't anything new ....happened all the time back in the day .....group out for a ride some jack hole causes them to wreck or runs one down and speeds away ...bikers gave chase and took care of business . You talk of others hostile mindset when you make a comment like that ? It is the comment that brought the heat here. It's called self defence. A group of pack animals surround your car, pull you over by slamming on the binders in front of you then proceed to smash your window, take chase again then beat you. I'm very lucky to live in a place that when someone is taking extraordinary measures to harm me and my family I'm allowed to take extrodanary measures to defend myself. If that means using my legally owned weapon against those involved then so be it. Not hostile, self defence. Claiming people read more into the comment is a back peddle. Can't blame you I'd back off a comment like that also.
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Post by spandi on Oct 2, 2013 15:21:24 GMT -5
This is just more of the "Extreme" and "in your face" mentality that is the result of a mass overpopulation of people who feel at some level completely irrelevant, and fight it by engaging in behavior that can best be described as "Hey Ma look at me!"
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Post by tarkus on Oct 2, 2013 15:29:01 GMT -5
Ya it's interesting how many of the folks on here "against vigilante justice" advocate shooting people or running them down the second they feel threatened. I don't carry a gun or any other weapon. I won't intentionally run people over either. The introduction of additional violence or weapons will only make the violence worse. I imagine there was a way to talk this through. I don't believe that he necessarily was singled out for this harassment randomly either but who knows. How can you guys say they shouldn't have taken matters into their own hands and in the same post say you would happily kill as many as you could if they threatened you?? Weird. I don't think either the bikers or the SUV handled this well and I think the SUV driver might have a need for some justice too... It seems if he had pulled forward a little slower or in spurts folks would have moved and he still would have been able to break free hurting only bikes and not people too. I think you guys are kind of proud of him though for "taking care of business" and crushing anything and everything in his path regardless of the cost. Some guy loses the ability to walk and you applaud it and even say it would be better if he died. Human life is more valuable than that. I was a hooligan once and made some bad choices do I deserve a wheel chair or the electric chair? I guess you all have always been perfect citizens. Never threatened anyone in your youth or otherwise so you can judge these "subhumans". Pretty sad really all around. Yeah the second they feel threatened, really ? Your right it would be "hair triggered" to use extrodanary force against people who were smashing your windows and ripping the car door open. You sit and have a talk with these people and ill defend my family. Talk it through......we must have seen different videos.
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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 2, 2013 15:50:37 GMT -5
.....not back peddling . Read the post again . I only stated what was done and has been done in the past ......read history of motorcycles and clubs . 1940-1970's . Were do you think Honda got the idea of " you meet the nicest people on a honda " from ?
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Post by freefour1968 on Oct 2, 2013 16:05:30 GMT -5
Soooo a cager slams into you or your buddy when you are doing nothing other than enjoying a nice days ride , leaving you for dead .....you don't have the right to "defend yourself " by any means necessary You talk of taking extraordinary measures to defend yourself well .....
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Post by scootnwinn on Oct 2, 2013 16:41:52 GMT -5
Talk it through......we must have seen different videos. Watch it again I did. They don't open the car door till after the crushing...
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Post by tvnacman on Oct 2, 2013 17:03:08 GMT -5
License plates covered , footage of them riding on the wrong side of the double yellow around the city more than 100 calls into 911 system. If the DA wants to charge the SUV driver the police comm Kelly blew it for the DA . The video of them on the wrong side of the double yellow was from street cams the NYC police department uses . The youtube video was edited and looks clear that the biker picked it out right .
With above said the other riders in the group may not realize how lucky they are . They were showing deadly force clearly had deadly weapons (knife ) .
I just wonder did they beat this man and run and wait to be captured ? They had the tags covered .
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Post by JR on Oct 2, 2013 18:10:29 GMT -5
Hey John that is one cool avatar!
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