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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2013 11:37:49 GMT -5
The water in ethenol is the enemy. Stabil and seafoam absorbs it.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 1, 2013 11:58:56 GMT -5
What are the reasons to use Seafoam so often? I have a can around here somewhere that I used during troubleshooting, and over the winter. Just wondering what your reasons are. Clean up residual and corruption from Ethanol which is known to damage fuel systems. Helps keep carbon buildup around the valves, piston tops and rings down. Berrymans Total Fuel System treatment is a bit better however a monthly treatment can help prevent problems down the road. |
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Post by ramblinman on Aug 1, 2013 13:42:58 GMT -5
i don't use it. i do spend the extra money and only put ethanol-free gas in my scoot. pure-gas.org/i don't know if seafoam or ethanol-free is worth it though.  |
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Post by bvance554 on Aug 1, 2013 23:36:32 GMT -5
I use it every few fill ups to keep the fuel system clean. Seems to work . I havent any fuel problems thus far. I've never used it, nor anything else. Just gasoline, and i haven't had any fuel related issues either. Just saying... |
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Post by bvance554 on Aug 1, 2013 23:39:05 GMT -5
The water in ethenol is the enemy. Stabil and seafoam absorbs it. There is no water in ethanol. |
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Post by scootnwinn on Aug 1, 2013 23:40:46 GMT -5
I use it every few fill ups to keep the fuel system clean. Seems to work . I havent any fuel problems thus far. I've never used it, nor anything else. Just gasoline, and i haven't had any fuel related issues either. Just saying... Same here I use it on rusty old tanks but never new ones... Never had any fuel related issues on newish bikes but I have had numerous issues when using it on dirty fuel systems some times it works sometimes not. |
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Post by prodigit on Aug 2, 2013 0:03:26 GMT -5
Seafoam reduces performance when in use, because it doesn't burn as good as fuel.
I usually pour one to 3 oz in a tank every 1000 km's, and so far so good!
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Post by ramblinman on Aug 2, 2013 1:20:03 GMT -5
The water in ethenol is the enemy. Stabil and seafoam absorbs it. There is no water in ethanol. they don't purposely add water, ethanol naturally absorbs water. but i thought the main problem with ethanol is it gums up your carb. |
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Post by rockynv on Aug 2, 2013 4:31:13 GMT -5
There is no water in ethanol. they don't purposely add water, ethanol naturally absorbs water. but i thought the main problem with ethanol is it gums up your carb. The water it absorbes causes white corrosion along with rust while the ethanol itself deteriorates hoses along with other composite parts all of which leads to clogged gummed up carbeurators. |
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Post by tarkus on Aug 2, 2013 4:40:20 GMT -5
Ethanol in and of itself does not gum up a carb, the alcohol in it tends to "scrub" deposits in fuel systems and that junk flows downstream into the carb.
We had all kinds of problems with older motors when they first got E10. After a few tanks the problems decreased as the systems got cleaned put. Problems with newer motors from E10 have been rare.
That said cheap rubber can be a problem and that should concern those with china scooters. The best way to avoid the problems is to burn fuel and not give it the chance to absorb water.
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Post by SylvreKat on Aug 2, 2013 5:54:24 GMT -5
I had a customer whose work was something with ethanol (I didn't probe). I asked him about ethanol being bad for the engine. He told me there's no car out there that can't handle ethanol. I told him I drive a '92 Taurus. He told me look for clean gas.
'nuff said, I think.
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Post by danno on Aug 2, 2013 6:17:40 GMT -5
Ethanol in and of itself does not gum up a carb, the alcohol in it tends to "scrub" deposits in fuel systems and that junk flows downstream into the carb. We had all kinds of problems with older motors when they first got E10. After a few tanks the problems decreased as the systems got cleaned put. Problems with newer motors from E10 have been rare. That said cheap rubber can be a problem and that should concern those with china scooters. The best way to avoid the problems is to burn fuel and not give it the chance to absorb water. So would I be wrong in saying if you use your scoot everyday, additive such as seafoam are overkill. If you're one that doesn't use your scoot/motorcycle/car regularly, a shot of seafoam is probably a wise thing? |
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Post by tarkus on Aug 2, 2013 7:01:26 GMT -5
Ethanol in and of itself does not gum up a carb, the alcohol in it tends to "scrub" deposits in fuel systems and that junk flows downstream into the carb. We had all kinds of problems with older motors when they first got E10. After a few tanks the problems decreased as the systems got cleaned put. Problems with newer motors from E10 have been rare. That said cheap rubber can be a problem and that should concern those with china scooters. The best way to avoid the problems is to burn fuel and not give it the chance to absorb water. So would I be wrong in saying if you use your scoot everyday, additive such as seafoam are overkill. If you're one that doesn't use your scoot/motorcycle/car regularly, a shot of seafoam is probably a wise thing? That has worked for me in my bikes and marine motors as far as water/phase-sepperation. E10 has alcohol and that will degrade cheap rubber even if you burn a tank a day. It won't kill it as fast but it still will. It really comes down to the fuel lines and filters in a new scoot. I have found that if they are of good quality all goes pretty well. Filters make a huge difference . I always surprised haw many scoots have poor or no fuel filters. Cheap upgrade that pays back. Get the gunk before it gets to the heart. Just my experiences everybody has their way. |
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Post by jerseyboy on Aug 2, 2013 7:59:26 GMT -5
Ive used an oz.of castor oil for new motors to help them break in nice,,and if Im going on a long hot ride I will use the castor oil,,its amazing at finding hot spots and lubricates even after its burnt,,but if you use too much it will gum up the head and top end. Seafoam,,I never bought it  |
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Post by RapidJim on Aug 2, 2013 8:24:05 GMT -5
I use seafoam in all my small engines as well as my Harleys. The problem in Wi is two fold, winter storage and ethanol. Seafoam works great as cleaner as well as helping keep fuel from separating during storage. The term is preventative maintenance. People tend to use the cheapest fuel they can get their hands on. That fuel up here has ethanol added. The comment has been made a couple times that ethanol eats "cheap" rubber, I am here to tell you that it eats rubber period, cheap or not. Go to your local parts store and get a small piece of Gates fuel line and put it in a jar of ethanol blended gas and let it sit for a couple weeks and see what a Slimmey mess you get. These carbs have very small idle jets and will plug up very quickly, seafoam, used regularly will help keep them clean.
I am not a fan of "mechanic in a can" but I have to admit seafoam does work. The first time I saw seafoam was in 1992 when a salesman came into the shop with it. Back then you could only buy it thru parts stores. Of course I thought, here we go again, with an additive of wild claims. I had a customer's car with idle issues due to dirty injectors. So I thought what the heck, I would try it. I warm up the motor, injected a can of seafoam directly into a vacuum port at high idle. The car started to smoke and then when the can was empty it quit. I thought, now what did I do. The salesman said, don't worry about it, lets go have a coffee and come back in 20 minutes. When we went back to the car, it started hard and smoked like all 8 rings were shot. He told me to drive it for about 5 miles and come back. I did, the smoke disappeared and the car idled like a champ. I have used it ever since.
Jim
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