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Post by buford1488 on Aug 2, 2013 11:07:10 GMT -5
i use it in my fuel injected harley...............no problem
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Post by rockynv on Aug 2, 2013 11:55:37 GMT -5
Ethanol in and of itself does not gum up a carb, the alcohol in it tends to "scrub" deposits in fuel systems and that junk flows downstream into the carb. We had all kinds of problems with older motors when they first got E10. After a few tanks the problems decreased as the systems got cleaned put. Problems with newer motors from E10 have been rare. That said cheap rubber can be a problem and that should concern those with china scooters. The best way to avoid the problems is to burn fuel and not give it the chance to absorb water. So would I be wrong in saying if you use your scoot everyday, additive such as seafoam are overkill. If you're one that doesn't use your scoot/motorcycle/car regularly, a shot of seafoam is probably a wise thing? You still should use a monthly treatment to offset the poor quality fuels out there. Too many folks go crazy replacing fuel pumps, burn holes in piston tops and valves due to clogged up or poorly working fuel systems. Many of these issues can be attributed to ethanol.
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Post by tarkus on Aug 2, 2013 12:40:26 GMT -5
As I said whatever works for you. I've never had a ethanol related problem and except for long term storage I don't use additives. In my case it hasn't been a problem in 49cc scoots or boats with big blocks.
The real problems come for those that don't use the machines or have an old gummed up motor.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 2, 2013 14:49:47 GMT -5
DX I would not use it daily, not even every fuelup. I use a shot every oil change. Unless you're not riding your bike in a loooong time, but under normal use, every 2-3 months a small shot can't harm.
SF cleans mostly valves and gets rid of carbon deposit and crud in the cylinder. Usually that takes time to develop. So far, never had any issues with bad gas or bad motor. Even if you'd only use a carb cleaner every 6 months, or every 4k miles, you still should be fine.
Now if the scoot is in the barn all day, especially in a hot barn, you might want to use more fuel treatment.
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Post by larrball on Aug 2, 2013 16:17:54 GMT -5
I use seafoam in all my small engines as well as my Harleys. The problem in Wi is two fold, winter storage and ethanol. Seafoam works great as cleaner as well as helping keep fuel from separating during storage. The term is preventative maintenance. People tend to use the cheapest fuel they can get their hands on. That fuel up here has ethanol added. The comment has been made a couple times that ethanol eats "cheap" rubber, I am here to tell you that it eats rubber period, cheap or not. Go to your local parts store and get a small piece of Gates fuel line and put it in a jar of ethanol blended gas and let it sit for a couple weeks and see what a Slimmey mess you get. These carbs have very small idle jets and will plug up very quickly, seafoam, used regularly will help keep them clean. I am not a fan of "mechanic in a can" but I have to admit seafoam does work. The first time I saw seafoam was in 1992 when a salesman came into the shop with it. Back then you could only buy it thru parts stores. Of course I thought, here we go again, with an additive of wild claims. I had a customer's car with idle issues due to dirty injectors. So I thought what the heck, I would try it. I warm up the motor, injected a can of seafoam directly into a vacuum port at high idle. The car started to smoke and then when the can was empty it quit. I thought, now what did I do. The salesman said, don't worry about it, lets go have a coffee and come back in 20 minutes. When we went back to the car, it started hard and smoked like all 8 rings were shot. He told me to drive it for about 5 miles and come back. I did, the smoke disappeared and the car idled like a champ. I have used it ever since. Jim Did that in the shop as well Jim, Could only buy it from the Snap-On truck at the time, Just like before PB blaster came out on the auto parts floor and PBlaster works when nothing (like a "Water Displacement40") will.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Aug 2, 2013 21:41:10 GMT -5
The 'hygroscopic' nature of ethanol pulls moisture out of the air(in your tank, in your gas can, etc) which is why I add some to my tank, as well as to any 5 gal cans in my garage.
My big question is, has anyone here added any to your oil before changing your oil, much like recommendations for autos? I'm going to change my oil in my scoot this weekend, and was thinking on adding just under an oz. (for a 750ml sump) and take it for a spin for a few miles to get it generously ran through the entire case.
Negatives? Any reasons why I should not?
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Post by RapidJim on Aug 3, 2013 11:07:54 GMT -5
[replyingto=xxwoodmanxx]xxwoodmanxx[/replyingto]I don't see where you would have an issue. I have used it in oil on autos to free sticky lifters.
Jim
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Post by motofinopilot on Aug 3, 2013 21:34:10 GMT -5
I have a 2007 Lance 50cc that I have put an ounce in every fillup (92- octane only) since new and for the last 2 years it has been sitting since I got my Motofino 50cc (new daily driver) and every month I start up the Lance and run it and it starts the second I touch the starter! Don`t know if it`s from the Seafoam use or just a great engine. I`ve been putting Seafoam in my Motofino every fillup during winter and about every third tank in summer. Both scooters run great. I was worried about the Lance not starting from laying so much, but it starts faster and easier than the new Motofino.
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Post by xxwoodmanxx on Aug 4, 2013 7:48:03 GMT -5
I don't see where you would have an issue. I have used it in oil on autos to free sticky lifters. Jim Sounds good. And with that, I'm going to throw a little in there and take it for a spin before the oil change later today
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Post by jrnyman on Aug 15, 2013 2:14:58 GMT -5
I use seafoam in all my small engines as well as my Harleys. The problem in Wi is two fold, winter storage and ethanol. Seafoam works great as cleaner as well as helping keep fuel from separating during storage. The term is preventative maintenance. People tend to use the cheapest fuel they can get their hands on. That fuel up here has ethanol added. The comment has been made a couple times that ethanol eats "cheap" rubber, I am here to tell you that it eats rubber period, cheap or not. Go to your local parts store and get a small piece of Gates fuel line and put it in a jar of ethanol blended gas and let it sit for a couple weeks and see what a Slimmey mess you get. These carbs have very small idle jets and will plug up very quickly, seafoam, used regularly will help keep them clean. I am not a fan of "mechanic in a can" but I have to admit seafoam does work. The first time I saw seafoam was in 1992 when a salesman came into the shop with it. Back then you could only buy it thru parts stores. Of course I thought, here we go again, with an additive of wild claims. I had a customer's car with idle issues due to dirty injectors. So I thought what the heck, I would try it. I warm up the motor, injected a can of seafoam directly into a vacuum port at high idle. The car started to smoke and then when the can was empty it quit. I thought, now what did I do. The salesman said, don't worry about it, lets go have a coffee and come back in 20 minutes. When we went back to the car, it started hard and smoked like all 8 rings were shot. He told me to drive it for about 5 miles and come back. I did, the smoke disappeared and the car idled like a champ. I have used it ever since. Jim Big fan of Sea Foam in its many applications - especially gas powered tools that use a fuel-oil mixture. More often than not, these types of tools go for fairly long periods of time between uses and without stabilizer the gas goes bad pretty quick. I always add some to my "mix" gas can. And when you run into the situation where the weed trimmer, lawn mower, chain saw, etc., just won't start or starts and immediately dies, just drain the gas from the tank and replace it with 1/2 cup of fuel/SF mixture. It fast-tracks the cleaning process of the fuel system. You can also use it just as you would starting fluid via a spray bottle. Regarding your "first time" story, I have a similar one. I was having issues with the injectors on an '82 BMW 320i project car I had bought to restore and putt around in. A buddy of mine had stopped by one day while I was t-shooting the rough idle and hesitation problems. He asked if I had already tried "Sea Foaming" it? I swear the second he realized I'd never heard of sea Foam his eyes lit up and he got a huge smile on his face - not because of how impressed I would ultimately be with the product but because he was going to get to witness a first-time user's reaction to the ensuing smoke show! Immediately headed to the parts store and bought a bottle and returned to the house. Just like you, he added it slowly (you have to add it very slowly or it will immediately kill the engine) to the vacuum line but only about 1/2 the bottle. It started running like crap and it was already running rough as it was. Needless to say at this point I was less than impressed and was thinking to myself that if this stuff was as good as he claimed it was, I would have heard of it and most likely even used it at some point in time. Shut it down and went inside to have lunch. While we ate he went into a little bit more detail about what SF does when added to the various systems of the car and lightly touched on the fact that when we started it up it was going to smoke a bit and not to be alarmed. "Smoke a bit..." is like saying "It gets hot in PHX sometimes". When I started it up it really didn't seem like anything had changed - for about the first 10 secs. Then it started billowing smoke out the exhaust. When I say billow, I mean I literally couldn't see across the street - for a while. For those who have never used it to treat your intake and fuel systems this way, the recommended way to clear it and the carbon it has dislodged out of the system is to first start it and keep the rev's up for a couple of minutes and then once it starts to run semi-smoothly to take it for a run at highway speeds like you said for about 5 miles to clear the rest of it out. Those 2-3 mins. sitting in my driveway with more smoke coming out of that little car than Mt. St. Helens the day she blew, I just knew my neighbors were going to call the fire dept' LOL! That was my baptism by fire intro to SF - and it worked perfectly to clear my fuel system and clean the injectors. The thing ran like a freakin' top after "Sea Foaming" it. There are plenty of videos on YT that feature the smoke show if you think I'm exaggerating about how much smoke it produces.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 15, 2013 11:50:02 GMT -5
As I said whatever works for you. I've never had a ethanol related problem and except for long term storage I don't use additives. In my case it hasn't been a problem in 49cc scoots or boats with big blocks. The real problems come for those that don't use the machines or have an old gummed up motor. Likely you are fueling up at a station that adds a additive pack that already has a carb/injector cleaner in it such as Tecron. Even BP Permium leaves deposits on fuel injectors which causes reduced performance if not treated every month or so. I put about 10,000 miles a year on my bike and if I let more than 2 months go past I can note the degradation in performance and economy at that point running with BP Premium in my fuel injected bike that I use to commute to work every day.
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Post by onewheeldrive on Aug 15, 2013 23:32:36 GMT -5
I let my scoot/carb sit for 7 months over the winter- rebuilt my engine in June of this year. There still was some gas in the carb because I looked the day/night of the rebuild--which I thought that I completely drained. No gum anywhere- looked brand new. No seafoam or anything. Scoot runs fine.
How long does it really take to gum up the carb? I may add a bit of seafoam this next fill up.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 16, 2013 14:43:47 GMT -5
I let my scoot/carb sit for 7 months over the winter- rebuilt my engine in June of this year. There still was some gas in the carb because I looked the day/night of the rebuild--which I thought that I completely drained. No gum anywhere- looked brand new. No seafoam or anything. Scoot runs fine. How long does it really take to gum up the carb? I may add a bit of seafoam this next fill up. Here in Semi-Tropical Florida it can start in a few hot humid days.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 16, 2013 23:46:28 GMT -5
The gumming up of a carb usually happens when you have fuel leaking in the cylinder, and the bike is in the hot sunshine, and evaporates the gasoline. When the gasoline evaporates, and constantly new gasoline gets leaked into the cylinder, while being evaporated, the remains is what we know as gum, which will clog the injectors or jets.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 17, 2013 19:41:14 GMT -5
The gumming up of a carb usually happens when you have fuel leaking in the cylinder, and the bike is in the hot sunshine, and evaporates the gasoline. When the gasoline evaporates, and constantly new gasoline gets leaked into the cylinder, while being evaporated, the remains is what we know as gum, which will clog the injectors or jets. Add humidity and evening cooling with heavy dews and then you get condensation in the float bowl too which adds to the problem building up a film of white corrosion that flakes off and cogs things up.
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