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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 25, 2013 7:15:52 GMT -5
Check the laws where you live, red.
Here in KS, if it's over 125cc, it's a motorcycle and must be tagged/insured/driver's license. So without checking, I would say an 80cc BBK would still be legal here.
But of course FL's laws are entirely different. I'm still trying to figure out how they can make it an automatic fault of the left-turner in the left-turn lane, if somebody else did the hitting. That's crazy! So, if she had a green light and someone ran the red, she would've still been the at-fault party, rocky? Stupidest enforced law I've read about. I'd be on a vendetta to get that dumbness changed.
>'Kat
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Post by jerseyboy on Jul 25, 2013 8:26:46 GMT -5
[replyingto=djscootz]djscootz[/replyingto]True,, Here in Jersey she handed me a moped plate when I went to register it,,that would have saved me alot of money $18 compared to $68,,I was like,,ummmmm,,its not really a moped,,she was like REALLY!! I could have got away with less insurance and reg,,but like the rest say If something happens and you get in an accident God forbid,,you will be in jail,,unless you play very stupid,,but still,,I thought what the heck would cop think if he saw a moped fly by at 55 MPH...lol ya know  |
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Post by tomfl62 on Jul 25, 2013 14:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by novaraptor on Jul 25, 2013 16:13:04 GMT -5
A guy I used to work with bought a used 150 and rode it for several months in Las Vegas. There was nothing on it that said it was a 150, so he never registered it, didn't have an endorsement on his license, and of course no insurance. He also didn't wear a helmet. One day on his way home on Flamingo a cop pulled up behind him, followed him a while and pulled him over because it's illegal here for a 50cc scooter to be on a roadway with a 45mph speed limit. The guy had to sit and take the ticket and lecture because if he had said anything, the write up would have been for no license, insurance, registration, violation of the helmet law, etc... He was pissed. I thought it was pretty funny.
But seriously, you are going to want to ride the 150 at 40-50mph where you can. It's just nicer to not have to worry about getting caught.. What ever you decide, enjoy the ride..
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Post by skuttadawg on Jul 25, 2013 23:47:01 GMT -5
If your drivers license is not suspended or revoked simply get your MC permit , basic liability on a 150 is only 100 or so a year in SC . It cost me ten to register , 15 for the tax and 28 in property tax . At the DMV I first said I want to register my scooter and was told they did not do them . Their website says even mopeds should be registered but not enforced where 150 are . I rephrased it to " I want to register my motorcycle " and had no issues . I did the same method when I registered my 50 . I know there is some that ride a 50 because they lost their drivers license , but I hate how with a moped tag many stereotype us as a DUI offender , and moped law says 30 MPH is the limit . Well my 2T would do 45 stock . I did get some cager hate with a moped tag . I added it to my policy and put a MC tag on it and have not been bothered even by the police . I was zooming one night above the speed limit and 2 cops pulled up beside me , I knew I would get a speeding ticket , but instead the pointed and laughed since Im 6ft4 and was going that fast on a small scoot . Here in SC if you have no muffler , damaged body panels , a 12 pack in a milk crate , and no helmet you are profiled a DUI offender . With a helmet , other riding gear , quiet exhaust and a MC tag then your a scooter enthusiast .
I have seen many ride a 150 with a moped tag and remove the 1 on a 150 sticker to try and trick the cops . They have been cracking down on those with a moped tag that go over 30 MPH in nearby small towns and starting to do so in the county too . It is not worth getting your scooter impounded , going to jail ( SC no ins = jail with expensive bond ) and paying fines . I do not know why so many fret over the thought of getting a MC license . I got mine when I was 16 and took the driving test in light rain on a Suzuki GS550 , so a 150 would be even easier . In SC you can ride for 6 months on a MC permit with option to renew ( wimpy ) or take the test before it expires as I did . I had many years of moped and off road experience before I bought a street bike . I think some states may require a MC riding safety class , which is not a bad idea for noobs as well as veterans .
Yes riding a 50 cc WOT will wear out faster as you are pushing it to its limits , where a 150 should be able to hit 50 or better and cruise 45 with ease . A BBK you have a larger piston that makes more power so the engine does not have to work as hard . I had a " secret 63cc " and put on a 50mm or 82cc BBK and WOW takeoff and uphill were waaaaaay better . Top end was the same but without having to be at WOT after it reached it . I have yet to hear of cops having the engine taken down and checked to see if it is 50cc , but it may happen if you get caught going above moped speed restrictions . I heard today about a guy who got a 225 dollar ticket for going 38 MPH with not even a moped license . With a suspended DL you can get a moped license after passing the computer test . I got my moped license when I was 14 as it was only 3 months or so that just came out . No riding test required or at least back then . When I had mine a moped had to have bicycle pedals and was considered a " bicycle with a helper engine " . If the 49cc had pegs like a Honda Express or was a scooter it was a 49cc motorcycle . SC grayed the law to let 49cc scooters be a moped as long as the rider did not go over 30 MPH
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 26, 2013 2:56:05 GMT -5
No flak from me... LOL!
Doing the 150 right however, is a good idea. Here in Texas, ANYTHING with a motor (including those bicycle motorized conversions) is considered a motor vehicle... Requiring TITLE, LICENSE PLATE, INSURANCE, STATE INSPECTION and MOTORCYCLE DRIVERS LICENSE.
The cops (even small-town forces) have scanners on their cars that can literally scan dozens of plates per second. They NEVER turn them off... LOL!
Each and every plate scanned is INSTANTLY run and shows if it's on the correct vehicle, who the vehicle is registered to, if it's state inspection is current, if the plate is current, if the insurance is current, if the vehicle has any warrants on it, and the ENTIRE history of the registered owner pops up, including any outstanding warrants, out-of-state status, citizenship, etc. from the day he was born... It's BIG BROTHER in a scanner.
Simply put, they got you cold.
As backward as Texas is, I would be REALLY surprised if ANY other state does not use this technology. Best to be legal...
Just my opinion...
Leo (with lots of pals with deer-in-the-headlights looks, in jail for traffic problems) in Texas
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 6:40:28 GMT -5
Each and every plate scanned is INSTANTLY run and shows if it's on the correct vehicle, who the vehicle is registered to, if it's state inspection is current, if the plate is current, if the insurance is current, if the vehicle has any warrants on it, and the ENTIRE history of the registered owner pops up, including any outstanding warrants, out-of-state status, citizenship, etc. from the day he was born... It's BIG BROTHER in a scanner.
True..but we have a hard ebough time determining what the heck we have. How will these guys figure it out passing us by? LOL
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Post by larry001964 on Jul 26, 2013 8:58:57 GMT -5
No flack here,
I know the laws in Indiana, and I know I don't agree with them, I honestly think they were written by a non rider.. There are those that will say the law is the law... And they are right, you really can't argue with the law, so if caught your in for a world of grief..
However I'm not much of a fan of the 50cc... IMHO I think they are underpowered for the traffic you deal with. I think they are designed for small runs to the corner store, side streets, and seldom are a true match for real world driving. 50's are slow forcing traffic to do stupid things to get around you. Often these "stupid things" other drivers do put you in danger as you don't have any reserve power to get out of the way, also your scoots response to the throttle is slow also causing problems..
For me Id say it's a judgement call, Scoots that can keep up with traffic are actually far less dangerous in traffic than ones that don't. Scoots that have reserve power have more options in getting out of the way than those that don't.. You will have to judge your situation and decide whats better for you, taking the risk of possible getting caught, and the world of legal grief that will ensue, or being safe.. Personally Id rather be safe....
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Post by domindart on Jul 26, 2013 11:58:36 GMT -5
No flack here, I know the laws in Indiana, and I know I don't agree with them, I honestly think they were written by a non rider.. There are those that will say the law is the law... And they are right, you really can't argue with the law, so if caught your in for a world of grief.. However I'm not much of a fan of the 50cc... IMHO I think they are underpowered for the traffic you deal with. I think they are designed for small runs to the corner store, side streets, and seldom are a true match for real world driving. 50's are slow forcing traffic to do stupid things to get around you. Often these "stupid things" other drivers do put you in danger as you don't have any reserve power to get out of the way, also your scoots response to the throttle is slow also causing problems.. For me Id say it's a judgement call, Scoots that can keep up with traffic are actually far less dangerous in traffic than ones that don't. Scoots that have reserve power have more options in getting out of the way than those that don't.. You will have to judge your situation and decide whats better for you, taking the risk of possible getting caught, and the world of legal grief that will ensue, or being safe.. Personally Id rather be safe.... I agree. I think if you want to ride a 50cc by all means... but they are substantially slower. So slow you can't keep up in traffic. I tried to do it on my first scooter, a peace 50cc. I was excited about not having need for insurance and tags... I thought it would be really cheap and money saving. But I quickly decided to upgrade to my 150. I never looked back.  |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 26, 2013 14:28:47 GMT -5
Each and every plate scanned is INSTANTLY run and shows if it's on the correct vehicle, who the vehicle is registered to, if it's state inspection is current, if the plate is current, if the insurance is current, if the vehicle has any warrants on it, and the ENTIRE history of the registered owner pops up, including any outstanding warrants, out-of-state status, citizenship, etc. from the day he was born... It's BIG BROTHER in a scanner.
True..but we have a hard ebough time determining what the heck we have. How will these guys figure it out passing us by? LOL Backed the old Crown Vic up and had me get in. Made a lazy circle through the lot (looking at my car first) and all was fine until one license plate did a "heads up" alert. He froze the screen on that one and pulled up the info. Out of date tag, no insurance and on the wrong car. Cheesh! He had me exit and waited for the poor bozo to go the car and slapped him in cuffs. Ran his info (from his thumb-print on a little doo-dad off his Batman utility-belt) and in 30 seconds, found he had out-of-state car-jacking warrants and murder of the driver of the car in question. Yup... They got you cold! Dick Tracy would be proud... Can't gripe too much though. This stuff catches guys like this one every few hours.Leo (floundering in this electronic age) in Texas |
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Post by millsc on Jul 26, 2013 19:27:29 GMT -5
or just mod the heck outta the 50, my 50 can keep up with traffic in 45 zones and i pass cars on 35's
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 26, 2013 20:41:45 GMT -5
You know Leo, on the one hand it IS scary. But on the other it's reassuring.
I think I'd rather have it than not, if it catches scarier stuff like that driver who killed somebody.
Maybe if our PD had had that years ago when somebody ripped the renew sticker off my plate, maybe they'd have caught the ratstard. And I would've gotten my $5 for a replacement back. Plus maybe a chance to wings him (you know what I mean, guys--when the woman puts her hands on hips and dishes it!)
>'Kat
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Post by rockynv on Jul 26, 2013 22:31:18 GMT -5
Check the laws where you live, red. Here in KS, if it's over 125cc, it's a motorcycle and must be tagged/insured/driver's license. So without checking, I would say an 80cc BBK would still be legal here. But of course FL's laws are entirely different. I'm still trying to figure out how they can make it an automatic fault of the left-turner in the left-turn lane, if somebody else did the hitting. That's crazy! So, if she had a green light and someone ran the red, she would've still been the at-fault party, rocky? Stupidest enforced law I've read about. I'd be on a vendetta to get that dumbness changed. >'Kat A number of states follow the automatic at-fault for left turners. The premis is that you are pulling in front of someone else. Many left turn accidents were by scammers before this that were getting in the way on purpose to get a payoff. So now everyone is going to get an automatic at-fault so they now can't scam and more wait their turn at to take a left instead of cutting off other traffic. |
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 26, 2013 23:56:12 GMT -5
You know Leo, on the one hand it IS scary. But on the other it's reassuring. I think I'd rather have it than not, if it catches scarier stuff like that driver who killed somebody. Maybe if our PD had had that years ago when somebody ripped the renew sticker off my plate, maybe they'd have caught the ratstard. And I would've gotten my $5 for a replacement back. Plus maybe a chance to wings him (you know what I mean, guys--when the woman puts her hands on hips and dishes it!) >'Kat
I agree with you. A whole lot of today's government intrusion in our privacy is just plain wrong, but these license scanners are only enforcing the "letter of the law" which we as riders agreed to obey, while catching a HUGE percentage of miscreants. These cretins usually have NO identity, NO address, NO morals and NO conscience. One of our cops told me that over 3/4 of the truly BAD guys who kill, rape and steal are caught ONLY through traffic stops. You just can't ferret them out of their holes, and only diligent traffic patrol ever gets them off the street. It's the old story... Stop 'em for a license violation and find their dope stash, the bundle of money in the trunk, and maybe a body in there. Of course, this also catches any of us "fudging" with a scooter, cycle or whatever that we're trying to sneak "under the radar"... LOL!While trying to pass off a 55 mph 150cc scoot as a 30 mph "moped" isn't exactly in the ball park with the guy who drags a mom out of her car at a red-light, rapes and kills her, then steals her car and throws her baby in the car seat off a bridge... EEEWWWW! It's STILL an offense, and REALLY pisses off a cop. And it's NEVER a good idea to P-off a guy (or gal) with a badge and a gun. And friends at city hall... Yup. I try my best to stay legal. All the time. It saves SO much hassle down the road. Ride safe!Leo |
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 27, 2013 0:38:41 GMT -5
I have a cuz who's a cop. Said traffic stops are the scariest for them 'cause they just never know who they're getting. Usually it's a regular person who was speeding. But there's always that chance there's a gun meeting them. It's why they usually call for a backup now.
But it's really scary what you said about the truly BAD guys out there. I really do live in a rosy world. I just wish the rest of the world lived there, too. Sigh.
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