08 Moto Fashion.. no blinkers, horn, headlights  By  justguy1 (Read 10,585 times)

ALL DID was take the wire that was connected to the battery on the negative side and put that on the bottom of the DISCONNECT then ran another wire back to the same terminal I took the OTHER wire off of

No Alley if he did what he said here than again it is wired right. Think about it? If you remove the negative battery cable from the battery and trace it out it will go to the frame where it is "grounded".

If you then put that wire on a switch and then run another wire from the switch to the same negative battery terminal where you removed the first wire from then if the switch is in the "on" position it is grounded, simple as that. Now this is based upon his description above.

When i get home tonight I will try to do what you said.. I have to go to radio shack to get a jumper cable. to connect the wires...

Yeah, Im sorry I didnt know about the negative. I was getting help from somewhere else and following that. So not sure.

But i will try what you said tonight and see what happens..

So are we looking at a big mess here? expensive mess??

I would suspect the inside of ign switch is somewhat melted or a contact has spun off a small pc allowing current to leak. What jr wants to do is bypass it to see what works which is the only way it can be tested but negative battery cable should go direct from battery to frame. Opinion only. Barnie

Well here is the latest.. Im not too familiar with electronics enough to know ... So im not real sure what JR means about jumping the red and black wire on the switch that is not connected to the ignition.. Doesn't the key have to be on for the blinkers and horn and lights to work??? So confused about that..

Ok so here is the crazy thing tonight... So I take apart the key ignition switch.. Meaning if I turn the key on NOTHING... well not so fast.. So I have it connected I turn the key on and well you know nothing works.. So I take the key out like normal everything stays on... then I disconnect the switch plug... And ITS STILL ON... the head lights, the odometer. I hit the blinkers no blinkers but the odometer dims, hit the horn the speedodometer goes up... Now here is the kicker.... I hit the start button.... EVERYTHING SHUTS OFF.. didn't have to turn the power off.. And funny thing was when the key on .... if I press the start button.. everything lights up.. I didnt try the horn and blinkers, but the dash lights... So im more friggin lost now then I was before... And if you guys can shed light on the jumper thing.. the one I bought I don't think is gonna work it has alligator clips on the end and are too big to fit in the holes.. So that is where I stand going to be working on this all weekend..

Justguy1 I'm going to make this simple and I'm honestly not trying to sound rude but the way I understand this is you decided to put a battery disconnect switch in your system and you followed directions from another person on Doc and we know who that is.

What he drew and said is wrong, no two ways about it, even this statement he made today is wrong and bogus:

On the CF Moto fashion the positive terminal of the battery has a short red cable to the solenoid. Then the negative side of the solenoid runs to the starter.

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There is no such thing as a negative side of the solenoid, plain and simple. The solenoid relay is a simple electrically energized switch, nothing more. It hooks up to the positive post on the battery and then sends the same current to the positive post on the starter. The starter is grounded via mounted to the engine and the engine is grounded to the frame.

In this picture drawn by the very man that helped you can see that he labeled the other terminal marked "M" as negative to ground. Point blank this is wrong and if you did this by his drawing then that is why your scooter is messed up, no way around it.





Here is the section of the Fashion wiring diagram that proves exactly what I said, the "M" in the diagram is the starter motor.



Now I know you want to get your scooter going and I'm certain I can help you but with all the confusion of going from one place to another and so many people trying to tell you what to do IMO you'll only make things worse.

I saw all the pictures, all the test this and test that with a meter and all fine and dandy if you have electrical training and background, which I do and have done this work for over 40 years.

so it's simple if you would like me to help and I can do just that then we'll move forward and it's your choice, you can listen to the person who helped you get this wrong to start with or go with someone who knows how and what a solenoid relay does and is wired?

BTW you NEVER put a main disconnect on the NEGATIVE side of any circuit, it's not by code and is wrong, lots of reasons and I'll not explain it at this time.

Let me know what you want to do.

JR

In this case scootnwinn the alarm has nothing to do with this, even if it's fried. One can take it and throw it in the trash and the scooter will still start with the key switch just fine.

The man has fried some things because he was given bogus info in the picture above.

JR

Very simple justguy1. Here is your picture of the plug to your key switch:




Now we know that your scooter is acting stupid with the key in, out etc.

So do not worry about the key switch at all, just act like it is not there. Unplug this plug in your picture. All plugs have two sides male and female.

I'm thinking that the male side of the plug is on the pigtail going to the key switch.

So unplug the key switch at the plug in your picture. Now forget about the key switch.

Before you unplug it make a mark on the plug and label the location of the RED and BLACK wires on both parts of the plug, male and female.

The Chinese are famous for changing colors from one side of the plug to another.

Now after marking the wires, on the plug going toward your engine or dash ( should be the female one) take your temporary jumper wire and jump or tie together the RED and BLACK wires in the plug.

We know your key switch is more than likely bad but what we are doing here is bypassing the key switch to see if we can send DC voltage to functions in your scooter, blinker, horn, etc.

By jumping the RED and BLACK together we should have power to these things.

JR