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Post by justguy1 on Jun 26, 2013 15:04:14 GMT -5
Hey Alley..
I did reconnect it normal to see if that would make a difference.
But I dont have the disconnect connected to the positive, I have it connected to the negative. I will get some pictures to show you guys how its set up..
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 26, 2013 15:53:50 GMT -5
So there is no ground from the battery to the FRAME?? I would of thought that you would disconnect the LIVE WIRE not the NEGATIVE don't forget the live wire is ALWAYS feeding juice to the KEY. So maybe without a ground it is causing problems or blew something out.
Did you connect anything or change the SOLENOID TERMINAL wires.
Alleyoop
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Post by JR on Jun 26, 2013 22:01:21 GMT -5
You've helped a lot with your answers and Alley's drawing is correct and he is correct on his description of how to put in a battery disconnect. You always put the disconnect on the positive cable never the negative side. In this case the main positive battery cable goes to the starter relay and also at this point it supplies 12Vdc to the red fused wire to the key ignition. By putting the disconnect in between the battery and the solenoid relay you cut the power off of the entire scooter when the switch is in the off position. If you did wire it like what was drawn in the diagram by the other forum person you mentioned and hit the start button you may have well fried some things in this scooter's circuitry. Now what I would like you to do at this moment where we can do some tests is to simply disconnect the battery disconnect switch you installed and put the positive battery cable back on the starter relay on the side with the "B" on it. Then make sure the cable that goes to the starter is hooked up to the post marked with the "M". Then make sure the negative battery cable is hooked up to the frame. When you confirm all this is correct we'll do some simple tests to see what we need to do to get this scooter back up and running. Now on this comment made by the very person who labeled the starter relay in a picture that IMO led you to wire up this all wrong? I'm sorry about your previous thread, I didn't delete it, it's hidden. Some clown from another forum was trying to use it to drum up business.I don't need to drum up business, have plenty to do and this is a "free" forum not a place to have to try to drum up anything, besides I only made a statement that you had given up and that if you had come elsewhere that we wouldn't have give up trying to help you. At least I'm not posting to put the negative battery cable on the "M" side of the solenoid relay. Let me know when all that is done and I think with just a couple of simple tests we can determine what we need to do to your scooter.  JR |
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 26, 2013 22:11:19 GMT -5
You can still use the DISCONNECT off the NEG like you had it BUT: 1. Take the Cable from the NEGATIVE POST off the FRAME(LEAVE IT ATTACHED TO THE NEG POST ON THE BATTERY). 2. ATTACH THAT END TO YOUR SWITCH. 3. Take anothe piece of wire and put it on the other terminal on the SWITCH and attach that WHERE YOU TOOK OFF THE GROUND WIRE FROM THE BATTERY. So NOW when you turn the DISCONNECT SWITCH to work IT COMPLETES THE GROUND CIRCUIT TO THE BATTERY. When you take the KEY OUT it then DISCONNECTS the BATTERY GROUND. Alleyoop  |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 26, 2013 23:22:08 GMT -5
Im sorry I started all this.. All I wanted was some help to get my scooter back up and running since I hadn't been able to ride it in two months.. My ONLY question right now is... You all keep saying about a ground to the frame and make sure its connected to the frame.... Help me here... ALL DID was take the wire that was connected to the battery on the negative side and put that on the bottom of the DISCONNECT then ran another wire back to the same terminal I took the OTHER wire off of... And when I turn the disconnect key to the off position it does shut down all power... you can't start it with out the disconnect key in the on position... So my head is fried.. not sure if im coming or going... WHERE is the wire that is supposed to be connected to the frame??? Here is a picture of what I did....  |
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Post by JR on Jun 26, 2013 23:22:32 GMT -5
Only in rare circumstances does one put a battery disconnect on the negative cable side. After all even the starter solenoid relay is just a electromagnetic switch and it is on the positive side. Even on AC current like in your home the light switches are on the positive side.
At this point it doesn't matter if he has a battery disconnect switch he just needs to have it hooked up the way it came so we can see what is truly messed up. I've never understood this battery disconnect any way? I've got a 250 with a clock and alarm system, I don't have a weak or low battery issue? Why should one have this problem with a CfMoto? Aren't they better? ;D
JR
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Post by JR on Jun 26, 2013 23:26:10 GMT -5
Justguy1 You have the switch wired correctly so now lets do this. I want you to unplug the key switch, the plug in the picture.
Now on the plug end that goes to things in your scooter, not the plug end that goes to the key switch I want you to put a wire jumper from the red wire to the black wire and see if things will work on your scooter, blinkers, horn, etc. and see if it will start.
JR
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 26, 2013 23:57:34 GMT -5
From what he wrote in the picture explaining each wire he DOES NOT have the switch hooked up right, IT IS NOT CORRECT. The Black wire on the bottom is from the neg battery post and he has the RED WIRE ALSO GOING TO THE NEG POST ON THE BATTERY.
It is a a loop BUT NO GROUND to FRAME.
Alleyoop
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 27, 2013 0:03:09 GMT -5
JustGuy1,
Do You have BOTH of those wires on the switch connected to the NEG POST ON THE BATTERY?Alleyoop
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Post by JR on Jun 27, 2013 0:11:08 GMT -5
ALL DID was take the wire that was connected to the battery on the negative side and put that on the bottom of the DISCONNECT then ran another wire back to the same terminal I took the OTHER wire off of
If he did this then it is correct. The wire he removed from the negative battery post was already run to the frame thus it is grounded to the frame or the scooter wouldn't start etc.
Then he ran another wire back to the terminal he took the cable off of which would complete the ground circuit with the switch on. The way he worded it is confusing and he verifies that with the switch off he has no power at all.
JR
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 27, 2013 0:21:52 GMT -5
Well from what he said and wrote in the picture he put up THIS IS HOW HE WIRED IT. But he hasn't answered. I am just trying to help so he can wire up the switch correctly. Alleyoop  |
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 27, 2013 0:24:15 GMT -5
[replyingto=alleyoop]alleyoop[/replyingto]Alley you keep mentioning about a ground to the frame.... IF I take that wire off the bottom of the disconnect switch and connect it BACK to the negative terminal... that is how it was in the beginning... It was NEVER connected to the frame...
All I did was take the wire that was connected ALREADY to the battery and put that on the bottom of the disconnect switch... And then take another wire and connect it to the top of the disconnect switch then connect that to the negative terminal...
In other words it like I cut the original wire in half and connected each end to the disconnect switch... that is all that was done... Where is the frame come into play??
ONLY ONE wire is connected to the battery terminal.. Sorry If I worded it wrong... The one that is connected is the TOP wire.... the bottom wire is the one that WAS connected to the terminal to begin with..
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 27, 2013 0:28:40 GMT -5
Check the TWO WIRES THAT are on the SWITCH ONE HAS TO BE GROUNDED TO THE FRAME. And the other going to the NEG POST ON THE BATTERY
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Post by justguy1 on Jun 27, 2013 0:39:53 GMT -5
Is that because of the switch?? Because it was NEVER grounded to begin with....
per your one drawing.. If I connect the wire to the switch then the frame and the other one to the battery.. Then there is NO so called live wire....
If there was NO switch.. let's take the switch out of the equation.. and take the BOTTOM wire and we connect it back to the Negative terminal where it was.... Then what wire is grounded to the frame??
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Post by alleyoop on Jun 27, 2013 1:01:36 GMT -5
There is no LIVE wire you are dealing with the NEG WIRE. The RED WIRE ON THE + carries the voltage NOT the - post. That is why the RED WIRE IS CONNECTED to the SOLENOID to pass it the VOLTAGE FROM THE BATTERY which in turn passes it to the STARTER.
How many wires are on the NEG POST OF THE BATTERY? Like on my TRIKE there are more BLACK WIRES CONNECTED to the NEG POST not just one. But the other wires are grounds for other things BUT ONE WIRE FROM THE NEG POST on mine goes to the FRAME to GROUND the BATTERY.
You may have taken the wrong GROUND WIRE off the battery.
Check where that wire you took off the NEG POST that you put on the SWITCH GOES TO.
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