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Post by floridagull on Apr 29, 2017 20:06:07 GMT -5
I was unfortunate enough to pick up a nail in - of course - my rear tire.  Thankfully, it was holding pressure. My son had picked one up in his rear tire a bit ago, and the Scooter Genie charged him $40 to remove the rear wheel and replace the tire - the replacement tire was $37.  ...10" wheels on his Baccio. He had a tire on hand for him. I called the Scooter Genie regarding my 130/70-12 - he said $57. plus $12.  shipping, and $60 to remove and replace. I found my same tire online on sale for $30.99 with free shipping - but $ ?  I had asked the Scooter Genie about the possibility of "plugging" my son's tire when his puncture happened. He said that the tires are thinner than car or truck tires, and that the plugs didn't work very well on scooter or motorcycle tires. However, after leaving Bible study one Friday morning, riding on my scooter with the nail in the tire holding air, I was about to ride by my tire place, and I thought "let me ask Wayne about plugging my tire" - and so I did. Wayne was a bit skeptical, but it was a small nail, so he was willing to give it a try. After a somewhat normal "plugging" procedure, I was on my way - no charge! In my mind I had saved $ , so I tipped the young guy who did it $10 -  - perhaps the after effect of Bible study?  So, it has been 2 weeks now with no trouble. Has anyone else "plugged" their scooter tire? Success? Failure? Bad Idea? Good Idea?  |
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Post by wheelbender6 on Apr 29, 2017 20:29:44 GMT -5
I have a leak in my back tire and planned to plug it with a kit that I have. Unfortunately, I cant find the leak, or anything jammed in the tire.
I may just remove the wheel myself and take it to a shop.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Apr 29, 2017 20:45:20 GMT -5
I was unfortunate enough to pick up a nail in - of course - my rear tire. Thankfully, it was holding pressure. My son had picked one up in his rear tire a bit ago, and the Scooter Genie charged him $40 to remove the rear wheel and replace the tire - the replacement tire was $37. ...10" wheels on his Baccio. He had a tire on hand for him. I called the Scooter Genie regarding my 130/70-12 - he said $57. plus $12. shipping, and $60 to remove and replace. I found my same tire online on sale for $30.99 with free shipping - but $ ? I had asked the Scooter Genie about the possibility of "plugging" my son's tire when his puncture happened. He said that the tires are thinner than car or truck tires, and that the plugs didn't work very well on scooter or motorcycle tires. However, after leaving Bible study one Friday morning, riding on my scooter with the nail in the tire holding air, I was about to ride by my tire place, and I thought "let me ask Wayne about plugging my tire" - and so I did. Wayne was a bit skeptical, but it was a small nail, so he was willing to give it a try. After a somewhat normal "plugging" procedure, I was on my way - no charge! In my mind I had saved $ , so I tipped the young guy who did it $10 - - perhaps the after effect of Bible study? So, it has been 2 weeks now with no trouble. Has anyone else "plugged" their scooter tire? Success? Failure? Bad Idea? Good Idea?
Way back 7 years ago, my first scooter (a Xingyue 150) picked up a small nail in the tread of the rear tire. I plugged it with an ancient kit I found in my old car... The "rope soaked in tar" variety... LOL! Crude, but pretty good stuff!It worked fine, and the tire was still fine 6 years and 3,000 miles later when I traded the scoot on my current old Kymco 250. Now, I know experts say the tires should be changed every few years, and that is surely a good idea for safety. However, those tires still looked "as-new" with NO checking or dry-rot. The tread was only worn slightly. In contrast, a "new" tire on the front of my Kymco split wide open after less than a year... It WAS however one that sat on the shelf for over 10 years before residing on my scoot...
If I got another nail in a tire, I'd plug it UNLESS the tire was nearing time for replacement... Heck, I'd still plug it so I could ride until I replaced it.I've plugged NUMEROUS tubeless CAR tires over the decades and one SCOOTER tire, and never had a problem. Just remember, it's not feasible or safe to try to plug a puncture in the sidewall... Only in the tread. That old tar-saturated-rope plug is STILL a pretty reliable fix for a small puncture, at least in my opinion. Be safe though, replace the tire if it's showing ANY signs of aging like weather-checking, dry-rot, cracking, splitting etc. New or old, I always visually check my tires before every ride. You do NOT want to experience a blowout on ANY vehicle, and absolutely NOT on a 2-wheeler!
Ride safe!Leo in Texas |
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Post by rockynv on Apr 30, 2017 7:37:11 GMT -5
This is a hot topic however plugging a motorcycle or scooter tire is a temporary fix to get you to the tire shop for a replacement tire or at least a patch installed by removing the tire, grinding the area around the puncture from behind and cold vulcanizing a patch on from behind. The issue is not in the 50% that will have no problems but becoming one of those few among the other 50% that have a catastrophic failure afterwards instead of just an irritating slow leak. Are you willing to risk life to save the cost of a scooter tire.
You mention Bible Study so you should be aware that Safety Regulations started there with laws even covering the need to have a safety rail around a raised terrace or porch to prevent injury or death. Even causing the death of another in an accident would require fleeing to a city of refuge because a life had been lost due to your actions and staying there until the death of the current High Priest which could be a very long or very short time off depending on the age and health of the High Priest. We are not under the old law code but it shows the high value of life that was held under that law and is something to consider when taking risks that could harm ourselves or others. You may want to consider this at a future study session but refrain from continuing it in any depth here.
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Post by spandi on Apr 30, 2017 9:51:38 GMT -5
I was unfortunate enough to pick up a nail in - of course - my rear tire. Thankfully, it was holding pressure. My son had picked one up in his rear tire a bit ago, and the Scooter Genie charged him $40 to remove the rear wheel and replace the tire - the replacement tire was $37. ...10" wheels on his Baccio. He had a tire on hand for him. I called the Scooter Genie regarding my 130/70-12 - he said $57. plus $12. shipping, and $60 to remove and replace. I found my same tire online on sale for $30.99 with free shipping - but $ ? I had asked the Scooter Genie about the possibility of "plugging" my son's tire when his puncture happened. He said that the tires are thinner than car or truck tires, and that the plugs didn't work very well on scooter or motorcycle tires. However, after leaving Bible study one Friday morning, riding on my scooter with the nail in the tire holding air, I was about to ride by my tire place, and I thought "let me ask Wayne about plugging my tire" - and so I did. Wayne was a bit skeptical, but it was a small nail, so he was willing to give it a try. After a somewhat normal "plugging" procedure, I was on my way - no charge! In my mind I had saved $ , so I tipped the young guy who did it $10 - - perhaps the after effect of Bible study? So, it has been 2 weeks now with no trouble. Has anyone else "plugged" their scooter tire? Success? Failure? Bad Idea? Good Idea? Funny you should mention this, as I just refilled my new Pirelli's with Ride-on tire seal. (great stuff, you can ride over railroad spikes and rusty barbed wire like it was nothing 😁) |
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Post by JR on Apr 30, 2017 9:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by hillbillybob on May 1, 2017 7:54:33 GMT -5
So, it has been 2 weeks now with no trouble. Has anyone else "plugged" their scooter tire? Success? Failure? Bad Idea? Good Idea?
I have plugged them successfully......scooter, motorcycle, car, even the pick-up. Keep an eye on inflation pressure...for signs of leakage, until you are comfortable it is sealing well. I have a Pirelli on the rear of one of my bikes... I plugged it on May 2, 2015.....never requires additional air during riding season. This tire had only 1200 miles on it when it picked up a 3" nail. If it had been a 5 year old tire, or had 5, or 6 thousand miles of wear, I would have replaced it.
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Post by chewbaca on May 6, 2017 12:45:40 GMT -5
This is a hot topic however plugging a motorcycle or scooter tire is a temporary fix to get you to the tire shop for a replacement tire or at least a patch installed by removing the tire, grinding the area around the puncture from behind and cold vulcanizing a patch on from behind. The issue is not in the 50% that will have no problems but becoming one of those few among the other 50% that have a catastrophic failure afterwards instead of just an irritating slow leak. Are you willing to risk life to save the cost of a scooter tire. You mention Bible Study so you should be aware that Safety Regulations started there with laws even covering the need to have a safety rail around a raised terrace or porch to prevent injury or death. Even causing the death of another in an accident would require fleeing to a city of refuge because a life had been lost due to your actions and staying there until the death of the current High Priest which could be a very long or very short time off depending on the age and health of the High Priest. We are not under the old law code but it shows the high value of life that was held under that law and is something to consider when taking risks that could harm ourselves or others. You may want to consider this at a future study session but refrain from continuing it in any depth here. 50/50 odds really ?! % of home patch jobs last longer than the tire and the other 9.9% fail as a slow leak and are do to improper application the plugs don't fall out. In fact it is a pain in the ars to remove a plug at all after the glue sets. So 0.1% is left over for complete idiocy like trying to plug holes Bigger than the instructions recommend or not cleaning the tire as instructed. But even with complete plug glue failure the tire is still not gonna explode it's just going to go flat. In the back tire it's a minor inconvenience. In the front tire? Well then yes it can be a little hard to stay upright if you're tire is flimsy. On my scooter I have lost pressure due to a lost valve stem. It was little more than something to be mad about. That hole is 5/8th of an inch that is a BIG hole. hmm ok you can have the .005% that's left for your explosive tire of doom |
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Post by cyborg55 on May 6, 2017 13:47:33 GMT -5
I've run plugs ,, safety seal is the only brand I run,,, if it's a newer tire I run it,, if it's past half way I run it a bit then change it,,, never picked up anything in a front oddly enough,, only rears,,probably change out a front or most likely patch it on the inside,,,
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Post by pistonguy on May 6, 2017 14:21:43 GMT -5
This is a hot topic however plugging a motorcycle or scooter tire is a temporary fix to get you to the tire shop for a replacement tire or at least a patch installed by removing the tire, grinding the area around the puncture from behind and cold vulcanizing a patch on from behind. The issue is not in the 50% that will have no problems but becoming one of those few among the other 50% that have a catastrophic failure afterwards instead of just an irritating slow leak. Are you willing to risk life to save the cost of a scooter tire. You mention Bible Study so you should be aware that Safety Regulations started there with laws even covering the need to have a safety rail around a raised terrace or porch to prevent injury or death. Even causing the death of another in an accident would require fleeing to a city of refuge because a life had been lost due to your actions and staying there until the death of the current High Priest which could be a very long or very short time off depending on the age and health of the High Priest. We are not under the old law code but it shows the high value of life that was held under that law and is something to consider when taking risks that could harm ourselves or others. You may want to consider this at a future study session but refrain from continuing it in any depth here. 50/50 odds really ?! % of home patch jobs last longer than the tire and the other 9.9% fail as a slow leak and are do to improper application the plugs don't fall out. In fact it is a pain in the ars to remove a plug at all after the glue sets. So 0.1% is left over for complete idiocy like trying to plug holes Bigger than the instructions recommend or not cleaning the tire as instructed. But even with complete plug glue failure the tire is still not gonna explode it's just going to go flat. In the back tire it's a minor inconvenience. In the front tire? Well then yes it can be a little hard to stay upright if you're tire is flimsy. On my scooter I have lost pressure due to a lost valve stem. It was little more than something to be mad about. That hole is 5/8th of an inch that is a BIG hole. hmm ok you can have the .005% that's left for your explosive tire of doom Amen Chewy!!! |
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Post by dollartwentyfive on May 6, 2017 16:26:31 GMT -5
i would imagine that such things as "balancing beads" and "fix a flat" can have detrimental effects when plugging tires.
i'm not sure about MC tires but it's inadvisable to plug sidewall punctures on car tires.
one thing to remember, a blowout on your car can be scary, but you only have 2 tires on a MC, and a blowout on either of them at highway speeds will most likely result in severe physical injury.
BTW, i've driven cars for many miles on plugged tires with no problems.
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Post by cyborg55 on May 6, 2017 18:29:50 GMT -5
I agree,,, to set a precedent I'm the biggest coward on this board,,, I don't have a yellow stripe I'm yellow period like the minions in despicable me,,, I have an extreme aversion to pain,,, that being said I've plugged moto tires ( with the snap on sold safety seal brand) nylon fiber rope soaked in rubber goo with not a hitch,, and with not even a peep,,, sidewalls are another story altogether,,,and will remain forever. Plug,,, ride to shop for new tire slowly below 30mph or home if on a Sunday when shops are closed ,,, end of story,,, I'm building / cleaning up my 60th personal bike,,,(may be my last I don't know) with over 500,000 miles under my belt with only 2 get offs to my fault I think I qualify,,, tube tires notwithstanding I feel a good quality fiber type plug is safe,,, used judiciously ,,, funny enough all my current rides are tube type
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Post by cyborg55 on May 6, 2017 18:33:04 GMT -5
And a plus one to the chewbaca also
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Post by cyborg55 on May 6, 2017 18:41:24 GMT -5
As a side note I may have one more " build in me" I do have the hots for a Ducati scrambler 800 the classic model and maybe a vespa px200 or a Stella 2t,,,, see it never ends,,, lol,,, I'm already at 63 !!!!!
And bmw motorad ( motorcycles) has a plug kit with compressed air in the stock tool kit so it can't be that bad
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Post by SylvreKat on May 7, 2017 22:21:30 GMT -5
I agree,,, to set a precedent I'm the biggest coward on this board,,, I'll contest that claim. My tires still have all their chicken strips fully intact. However--Mom dug a gash in the front tire of a car once (was looking at new houses instead of the curving road). Left a big flap of rubber that went from the black wall into where the white wall would've been. Our mech freaked, every car guy freaked, the tire guy freaked. We drove on that tire 'til the tread was toast. Otoh, I noticed that the cables were showing on the current car, and made her go immediately to the tire store for a new one. Gouged rubber, sure. Guts showing, uh-uhn and no way. Of course I can't say I'd do the same if I clipped the curb and gouged a flap in my scooter's tire. Because...I AM A HUGE COWARD! >'Kat |
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...10" wheels on his Baccio. He had a tire on hand for him.
shipping, and $60 to remove and replace. I found my same tire online on sale for $30.99 with free shipping - but $
