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Post by tarkus on Oct 3, 2013 5:15:00 GMT -5
Enough said ....I'm not going to continue posting only to read on how so many of you jump at the chance to kill and maim . It's "scary" to think that you would use deadly force on someone else instead of trying to dissolve a situation . I have said over and over I was for them to have givin chase but also in those same posts to have called the police so as not to let the SUV driver get away with hit and run . Pulling him over to beat him up was wrong as was him running over them and the dude got way more than a broken leg ...he is paralyzed . How can you say he deserved that What because he had a record ? He didn't threaten the driver with deadly force by stopping in front of him . The whole situation got escalated when the SUV driver chose to use deadly force . He should be charged also. And by the way I do know quite a bit about theology as I was a minister for ten years and work as a teacher here in a Christian school , if your going to try and say something about how you warp the bible to fit your point of view I take great offense . There is a reason why it's not allowed to be discussed in here . How very convenient. First you defend your point by telling of all your close friends killed and maimed by the cagers to support your view. Now your a minister to support your view. I love the Internet , here you can be all you can be. and you close with "that's why it isn't allowed to be discussed here" after piling on with religion. To be clear I don't belive you.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 3, 2013 5:06:36 GMT -5
Sorry guys but I still maintain he could of threatened with the deadly force before using it. If he had jump forward just a bit and then gave them just a second to jump out of the way before continuing it might of saved a bit of flesh (animal flesh according to the general consensus but flesh none the less). It is not ok to defend property with deadly force. If he hadn't run those guys over the only damage may have been to a fully insured vehicle. You guys don't know what those guys had planned. I don't see any attempt to harm the occupants until after the smashing of the "subhuman animals". The violent escape escalated the violence instead of ceasing it. No one needs to agree with me really but I like to think I'm a Christian, so for me I will always seek a non violent way the rest of you can follow your own ethical path but for me I couldn't just kill and maim people like that I just don't have it in me any more. Each person has their own way I chose peace even in the face of violence. I know YOU could have talked it thru. In earlier posts you tell how you were once a holligan. Then you asked who hadn't threatend someone when they were young. Now you are a Christian. I for one never threatened anyone young or not. Never been in jail or even close so the idea that all of us have a past is an obsurdity. So I guess you weren't a Christian when you wer a young dumb thug, just "lost". Maybe reborn in jail who knows. Well sir as a fellow Christian I can say we might pray for the misguided souls on the bikes and we will "turn the other cheek" but we would not defend those un christian like acts as you chose to. I was originally offended as a cyclist but am now more offended as a Christian.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 2, 2013 18:31:07 GMT -5
Soooo a cager slams into you or your buddy when you are doing nothing other than enjoying a nice days ride , leaving you for dead .....you don't have the right to "defend yourself " by any means necessary You talk of taking extraordinary measures to defend yourself well ..... Keep going, no hostilities there. Yes they were enjoying a nice days ride............ I know I know, I misread your meaning again.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 2, 2013 15:29:01 GMT -5
Ya it's interesting how many of the folks on here "against vigilante justice" advocate shooting people or running them down the second they feel threatened. I don't carry a gun or any other weapon. I won't intentionally run people over either. The introduction of additional violence or weapons will only make the violence worse. I imagine there was a way to talk this through. I don't believe that he necessarily was singled out for this harassment randomly either but who knows. How can you guys say they shouldn't have taken matters into their own hands and in the same post say you would happily kill as many as you could if they threatened you?? Weird. I don't think either the bikers or the SUV handled this well and I think the SUV driver might have a need for some justice too... It seems if he had pulled forward a little slower or in spurts folks would have moved and he still would have been able to break free hurting only bikes and not people too. I think you guys are kind of proud of him though for "taking care of business" and crushing anything and everything in his path regardless of the cost. Some guy loses the ability to walk and you applaud it and even say it would be better if he died. Human life is more valuable than that. I was a hooligan once and made some bad choices do I deserve a wheel chair or the electric chair? I guess you all have always been perfect citizens. Never threatened anyone in your youth or otherwise so you can judge these "subhumans". Pretty sad really all around. Yeah the second they feel threatened, really ? Your right it would be "hair triggered" to use extrodanary force against people who were smashing your windows and ripping the car door open. You sit and have a talk with these people and ill defend my family. Talk it through......we must have seen different videos.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 2, 2013 15:20:01 GMT -5
But the video doesn't show the entire story only what they did. I have read reports from other newspapers that the car had hit one of the bikers way befor you see it in the video .When he hit the biker they went to chase and that's when you see the video start . The guy stopping I front of the SUV in the beginning of the video is when they first pulled him over after he hit another biker in the first place . How many times has a cager threatened your life with them not looking were they are going ? My ex was going to collage on her honda cb400 once and a car load of ditsy blondes pulled out I front of her causeing her to wreck and total the bike . The ditsy blondes we like ."...oops so sorry we didn't see you ha ha ha ..." And sped away . I have had close calls myself and I have been to many biker rallies and ridden in pacs and have seen to many times the stupid cagers dont even bother to look or claim they didn't see you . Lost a couple friends that way too. Is it right what they did .....well I won't say yes or no but I have been in that situation to often and yes in the old days that happened several times . This isn't anything new ....happened all the time back in the day .....group out for a ride some jack hole causes them to wreck or runs one down and speeds away ...bikers gave chase and took care of business . You talk of others hostile mindset when you make a comment like that ? It is the comment that brought the heat here. It's called self defence. A group of pack animals surround your car, pull you over by slamming on the binders in front of you then proceed to smash your window, take chase again then beat you. I'm very lucky to live in a place that when someone is taking extraordinary measures to harm me and my family I'm allowed to take extrodanary measures to defend myself. If that means using my legally owned weapon against those involved then so be it. Not hostile, self defence. Claiming people read more into the comment is a back peddle. Can't blame you I'd back off a comment like that also.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 2, 2013 5:04:32 GMT -5
Sorry I guess I am from another time or something , been in too many wrecks and seen to many wrecks from careless cagers that don't care. Lost fellow riders from cagers . What they did on the video does not show the whole story , some of your sane comments I've heard before but with cruser riders instead of rice rocket riders taking the blame . The media and police will show that its those mad max bikers terrorizing and out for blood crap only to put another bad light on us all . Believe what you want , we have that right . The taking care of business I do stand beside , when was the last time you were out for a ride with your buddy and a cager runs him down without even looking were they were going or even care , or your wife ran off the rode and the cager took off ? Am I biased to the bikers , yes possibly but then I've been there and how would you react ? Should the bikers had bashed the dudes head in , no blocking him in and waiting for police to settle it yes ...oh but wait when they tried that he ran them over even more so if he's out for my blood and doesn't care I'm just supposed to let it go? Sorry if a blind cager runs me over for no reason I hope my brothers will chase him down and stop him so the police can take his butt to jail. Listen carefully. Not your job to "take care of business". Not your job to pull one over. Not your job to surround them. I see a video that shows the criminals causing the problem. You HEAR that the SUV hit a bike first but didn't see it on the video and you chose to believe that. Yes believe what you want, I will pick what I see not hear. Do that to me and I'm going to shoot you and your friends. It is unbelievable that anyone could see the gangs side of this.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 1, 2013 19:13:39 GMT -5
No matter what the circumstances, there is no defense for that kind of behavior.From all the news reports I hear, The guys on the bikes were the agressors. The one who cut him off has been charged with reckless endangerment of a child among other things,I am absolutely flabberghasted that any of you would think the driver did anything to deserve that!!!Society has sunken to new all time lows. Agreed. No excuse. None, zero. I don't care what happened pack animal activity should be treated as the crime it is. Very luck it was NY. Here some bikers would have been shot.
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Post by tarkus on Oct 1, 2013 4:26:17 GMT -5
May this forum format be the biggest "discomfort" of the day....
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Post by tarkus on Sept 29, 2013 19:15:29 GMT -5
I looked at various 300's such as the Kymco People, Kymco Downtown, Sym GTS Evo and the Sym Citycom. I moved away from a 300 scooter without screen, so the People was not a choice. The Downtown is nice but expensive. The SYM offers slightly less power, but in my opinion a smoother ride. I would of gone for the Sym GTS Evo if it fitted into my parking spot, but happily settled for the Sym Citycom. I bought it and rode it back home over 1250km's, and loved it. IWith its larger wheels, it is smooth, extremely comfortable, uses half the fuel of my other 300 even with a strong head wind, and the screen was a major bonus. An underrated scooter with excellent and reliable technology, and is easy to work on. I trust that you will make the right choice, and you cannot go wrong with one of the Taiwanese brands. Yeah the Citicom is the best value , IMO, in its class. I rode one and its very smooth and still enough power to collect plenty of tickets. It's just a little "tall" for me. I got some stubby legs !
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Post by tarkus on Sept 28, 2013 23:28:01 GMT -5
Sym RV 200 Evo Very much like the grand vista with slightly larger wheels.
Sym HD 200 Evo Very much like the people series. 16" wheels
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Post by tarkus on Sept 27, 2013 22:04:48 GMT -5
Ok confused again.
All the people series had 16" wheels. From the 125 thru the 250. The 250 had a larger frame but still had 16s. The Gt300i has 16" wheels.
So when you say "high wheel" I get mixed up. All have 16"wheels. That makes them all high wheel.
Does the gti300 have 15s? If it has 16s then its a "high wheel"
Yikes I'm sooooo mixed yo [/quote][/color] My apologies for sure! You're right, I'm wrong. For some reason, cosmetics I guess, I thought the regular "People" scooters all had 18" or larger wheels. I just checked the Kymco site, and yes, they all have 16" rims, but the new GTi300 appears to have smaller wheels. It's all in the styling it appears. My mistake. I guess I've looked at TOO many Grand Vistas with their 12" wheels... LOL! Sorry for the mix-up! The GTi300 just looks SO much better to my eye than the standard "People" format, even though as you point out, the wheels actually ARE the same size. Old age "brain-fart" on my part I guess! Bare with me, I'm getting over the hill. Leo (still looking for something to get me over the hill a little faster...) in Texas [/quote] Cool now I got it ! I knew they where all 16s. Yeah the Gt300i has the front fender lower and the front cowl is a little bigger. I does make the wheels looks smaller. Like I said I rode that scooter and its fast and strong. Be Big, AMAC
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Post by tarkus on Sept 27, 2013 14:58:34 GMT -5
THAT indeed IS the one! Pretty sweet, ain't she? Absolutely MADE TO ORDER for the die-hard GY6 150 jockey who wants a little more, but in a similar package... Like ME for example... LOL!I couldn't find anything on the "regular" high-wheel "People 300i" either... My local dealer has one though, so they do (or DID) exist. I'm thinking the 16" wheel "GTi 300" might have replaced the high-wheel "300i" early in the model year, and the high-wheelers "disappeared"... Maybe? Only my guess... I'll most likely stick with a good old out-of-production Grand Vista... They're out there, clean, low-miles and AFFORDABLE. I surely like the 30hp injected 4-valve 299cc mill in the GTi, but you can't buy a new Ferrari on a used Hyundai budget... LOL! Heck, a Hyundai ain't all that bad! And an aging Grand Vista will still get me to Wally World, OR the next town down the freeway just fine. And, OOOHHH, that BIG, CUSHY seat! LOL! Leo Ok confused again. All the people series had 16" wheels. From the 125 thru the 250. The 250 had a larger frame but still had 16s. The Gt300i has 16" wheels. So when you say "high wheel" I get mixed up. All have 16"wheels. That makes them all high wheel. Does the gti300 have 15s? If it has 16s then its a "high wheel" Yikes I'm sooooo mixed yo
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Post by tarkus on Sept 27, 2013 14:51:37 GMT -5
The grand vista is a very good scooter. I test rode a few last time I was replacing scoots and it was quick and had no problem cruising at 70-75 mph. Good quality I have had a few Kymcos and all were solid rides.
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