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Post by carasdad on Jun 16, 2013 12:20:02 GMT -5
[replyingto=dude]dude[/replyingto]Diaphragm is intact..sealing well and working as slide goes all the way up when engine is revved. About 1/2 throttle it is all the way up. Cable is adjusted properly and gives throttle full range of travel. Tx for the input. @ Rob (scootnwinn) As always you are very insightful. Been a horrible week. Got this new scoot and can't get it to run right. Grew up on a farm and started working on smal to large engines at about 8 years old. So at 50...that comes to 42 years. Not to brag..but it is rare that an engine defeats me...and this one has. Add that to I rarely get comments on my posts..gets frustrating. Then a Tornado eats up my lil town like it was made outta Balsa wood..soo no electric for just over 4 days = no water...can't cook...no shower or bath..gotta use the woods a toilet since there is no water...and lots more. But it gets better..my Dr appointment was the day of the storm...so the office was closed. It was for a refill on my seizure meds..and now been 6 days without it..therefore about 2 seizures per day since then. That takes a lot out of you..believe me...exhausts your entire body and puts you in a state of depression. Can't drive for 6 months without one...which will be when I get my med refill. Even riding a scooter during that time is illegal...but I do as it is not a 4,000lb car where I risk the safety of others...it is a 200lb scoot and I risk my safety. Of all the laws the Police do enforce....they allow me to ride the scoot....just no car. Sure I could ride a bicycle or walk..but it is a pride thing to be denied the privilege to ride my scoot...and it eats away at you...making you feel alienated from the 'Normal' people. Anyway..enough about that. About the scoot...this is THE most anemic 50mm one I have ever ridden. He did mention something about a performance cam..but says he thinks he took it out. As you know not all cams labeled 'Performance' are for good top end like the A9 is. The A11 and A12 are low end torque cams..and since dealers never list what grind they are...you never know what you are getting since even the low end torque cams are labeled as 'Performance' cams. Therefore the only way I will know is to drop in a stock cam and see how it performs..then go from there. When folks here are running 9-11 gram weights in their 50mm scoots and I gotta run 5 gram ones just to reach 40mph...sumpin is up. Even then the rpms are barely up..and we all know a 50mm BBK with 5 grams should be WAY to light to the point the engine is screaming away. But nope...5 grams is still 5,500 rpms. Btw I opened the tranny last night and it has the stock longcase GY6 50 gearing of 11.05:1 Therefore it is not under geared keeping the speed down...not is it over geared to the point it puts a load on the engine..keeping speed down. So I am confused big time. Glenn
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Post by carasdad on Jun 15, 2013 21:02:31 GMT -5
[replyingto=carasdad]carasdad[/replyingto]No ideas or input? As I mentioned before...this is typical of anything I post...or reply to..nobody replies to a post I make..or after any comment I make on someone else's post...the thread ends there..no more comments. Sort of makes me feel like an outcast..but then...that is possibly what everyone wants. Sooo I shall find another forum..one where people are not segregated. Maybe it's my heritage..we Native Americans have been hated for about 300 years now..so we are used to it. It's kinda like High School Version Two..if yer not in the 'Click' or 'Kewl Club' on here...it is almost as if you don't exist. Ok..I shouldn't laugh...cause sadly it is true....yup... Have fun on here all..get tight with the 'Click' and 'Kewl Club' on here..and you will be acknowledged. Peace to all... Yayiima benatigee
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Post by carasdad on Jun 15, 2013 8:16:12 GMT -5
Thanks...did try 5...6 and 7 gram. Still has a limited rpm range and speed. Also runs to 5,500 on centerstand...bogs and pauses a few seconds....then accelerates up to redline finally...no matter which weights rollers I use..
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Post by carasdad on Jun 15, 2013 7:35:48 GMT -5
Just got a 2012 Peace Sports B09 from a guy. All is stock except the 50mm BBK and # main jet. Problem is when riding it..it only winds to about 5,500 rpm so it's not reaching top speed potential. However..on the stand it will rev to about 5,500...bog and pause a second or 2...they quickly zoom up to redline. I think that under a load the mid range bog keeps it from going higher..as the load won't allow it to rev higher. It has 7 gram weights...I have gone down as low as 5 gram to see if that would help it rev higher and not have that mid range bog. Nope..did no good..same rpm...just lower top speed. I tried a # jet..but it was slobbering rich with the stock airbox on and off even. Wondering if it is a needle position issue? Needle is non adjustable..but can be raised with #4 washers...just can't be lowered due to the darn one piece needle design. Any input on what causes this mid range bog would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Glenn... Btw..not been on in 4 days..a lil tornado took our tiny town out. no electric...water...shower...toilet etc for 4 days. I switched to Chippewa mode and lived like my ancestors...and fared well. However..the 3 ladies in the house were distraught and miserable..
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Post by carasdad on Jun 11, 2013 8:02:38 GMT -5
try a star socket? It might be easier to find a ten point socket set and use that. Doug...tx..tried a 10 point..they don't fit. Maybe the 'Star' type will work...hmm 20 mile drive to the big chain hardware stores in the city...cause I know these small local hometown mom 'n pop hardware stores don't carry stuff like that. ryaanlx grind one side? I may try that.. I see you have worked on one..is it not the oddest dang nut ya ever saw?... I am not sure I would know which side to grind....maybe if I grind the pointed end off it would make the nut square?...hmmm.. To all of you who work on scoots for folks...the sad part of this all and nearly every scoot ya work on...when it comes time to pay..you don't charge for the things like that which caused a work stoppage..a work around...or hours of intense or precision work. Yet the customers still complain about how much you charge for any repair.?
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Post by carasdad on Jun 10, 2013 22:09:52 GMT -5
[replyingto=carasdad]carasdad[/replyingto]Somebody...anybody? Surely someone out there has worked on a Schwinn scoot and came across these tamper proof 5 sided ....vice standard 6 sided nuts. Nobody seems to carry a wrench or socket for them I take it? Somebody must..or how else do dealers work on Schwinn scoots.. One of you folks surely must have a resource..
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Post by carasdad on Jun 9, 2013 21:39:09 GMT -5
Suffering a 2009 Scwinn Valo Headache.... Engine needs a new top end. Easy job.....cause it's that ever common GY6 50cc engine. But wait...the intake manifold nuts are 10mm or so...but they are 5 point nuts...not the standard 6 point nut or bolt. It takes a special socket to take them off and for the life of me cannot find one. Google nor Ebay are of any help. Anybody ever seen these odd 5 pt fasteners? Anybody know where to get the special socket for them?... Thanks, Glenn
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Post by carasdad on Jun 9, 2013 21:08:04 GMT -5
I am wondering, if it is domed and the compression was so high you could not kick start it, a flat top would have just that much more compression. Might the timing have been very retarded to prevent ping? if so that can rob some power. Timing was not messed with. The 235psi probably caused it from detonation and heat from running lean. Compression when BBK was installed should have checked when it was so high starter barely cranked it. Then do as I do after a BBK....compression check and add gaskets to bring it to within normal limits.
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Post by carasdad on Jun 9, 2013 17:19:17 GMT -5
[replyingto=millsc]millsc[/replyingto]Thanks all. Triker this piston is way more dished than the one in your pic. You'd have to actually see it I suppose. It starts at the rim and goes about 4mm deep. Thanks for the pic...never saw a fresh new one slightly dished. Have seen many Diesel Engine pistons come that way. Now I am curious why they do that...what is the benefit...especially on a Diesel which is designed to run super high compression. Regarding compression though...does anyone agree the 235psi was too high for a 139QMB engine and is what caused the excessive dishing?
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Post by carasdad on Jun 9, 2013 16:04:30 GMT -5
Where did you find that kit for 49 bux....got a link? I am shocked..235psi is a bit much for ANY engine. Plus..just a # jet. Did not know any of this until I got home..tested compression and checked Main Jet size. But by then it was too late...the owner had been riding it...so the damage was done.. I am sure the crank has taken a beating as well.... Man I feel ripped off...
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Post by carasdad on Jun 9, 2013 15:39:28 GMT -5
Pic # 2... Attachments:
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Post by carasdad on Jun 9, 2013 15:38:48 GMT -5
Does this look normal to you?..sure don't to me! Just got a 2012 Peace Sports B09 from somebody. It was running horribly and lacked power for a BBK. Pulled head from engine to have a look see... This is what I found in the pics. Guy told me it was normal and the piston comes that way. To which I argued..."They come domed..and they come flat top...but they don't come concave and burned black" Then I was told that my plug was not tight enough...causing an air leak..which in turn caused this...so it was my fault. Say what?...this is how it came to me. I put maybe 5 miles on it and it just did not seem to have any power..ran hot...and compression was soooo high I could not even kick start it. It is a 50mm kit that has a # jet. I find that super lean as the many many 44mm and 47mm kits I have installed needed a # or #87.5. Was hoping my explaining a 50mm kit with compression sooo high you could stand on the kicker and not crank it..and the too lean jetting caused this. Looks like I lost out on this argument and will be footing the parts bill and spending my time to rebuild this engine. Taken to the the cleaners...but you live you learn as they say. I would like opinions on this so maybe I can prove to him that I am NOT wrong. Does the Piston look normal?? Do they typically come with a 4mm deep dished top? Would you put a # jet in a 50mm BBK?... Attachments:
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Post by carasdad on Jun 8, 2013 21:44:40 GMT -5
Stock primary gears are 16/52 and the secondary is 15/51 secondary final ratio's are: 51/51=11.05:1 (stock) 16/50=10.15625:1 16/42=8.53125:1 18/46=8.3055553:1 17/41=7.4027775:1 Hope this helps. Roy Roy...Bingo!...woo hoo...that is what I was looking for.... Huge thank you!
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Post by carasdad on Jun 8, 2013 21:15:51 GMT -5
I do not know about the long case engine, but all 3 of my short cases came with 15/51 gears. Doug, I have 4 different gear sets for a 139qmb they are: 16/50, 16/42, 18/46, 17/41. Roy Thanks. ok they came with 15/31...is that the primaries? What were the secondaries? That is what I am looking for...what the primaries and secondaries are...or were. Just secondaries or just primaries does not give me much to go on...I can't figure a good ratio to drop down to unless I know what stock gears are for primary and secondary.. @ doug. Ok so if you only get 2 choices in stock gears what are they??? You forgot numbers. Also something that would help greatly....what is the typical final ratio... 10:1 11:1 etc. My 2T Hornet and all other Hornets came with a 13.5:1 ratio. Sooo....see what I am trying to figure out? Just telling me primaries or secondaries is only part of the equation...it is like somebody asking me how to make a cake...and I tell them.. "Add 2 cups of flour..2 eggs..1/4 cup Vegetable Oil..." Then walking off leaving them to guess at the rest of the recipe... ;D
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Post by carasdad on Jun 8, 2013 20:29:13 GMT -5
Suffering a little QMB139 long case confusion. Bought a 2012 Peace Sports B09 from a kid for near nothing. Already has a BBK and pipe. Problem is he had the same Mechanic up gear it. But they went way to high so take offs are slow...takes 3/4 mile or so to hit 40 and then 5k rpm is about max you can go. Puts it out of the power band quite a bit for most of the ride. He does not know what gears they put in....just that they were the highest they could find. Sooo...here is my question...please help. I need to know what your stock longcase gears were..15/54 with 13/32...etc. Reason is....I want to know what the normal stock ones are so I can use those numbers to calculate a decent gear ratio...vice whatever is in there now. What is in there now would be great if everywhere you drove was downhill with a good wind.. Thanks in advance for your help, Glenn
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