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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 11, 2014 23:15:07 GMT -5
Adjust valves, change oil, change plug.clean air filter.
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 11, 2014 8:49:36 GMT -5
Sounds like too much pulley movement too fast . Could be s high spot on the variator or a soft spot in the clutch spring . Does it hsppenbon the center stand ? John Yes it "did" Ive changed the variator and clutch since then, but the clutch was the problem. |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 11, 2014 8:47:05 GMT -5
Well taking the cover off and ACTUALLY telling us many times over that it is being sucked in throwing everyone off even Rockynv who is very knowledgeable said well that brings us back to the Diaphragm. And this is a GEM  So according to you did all this to call me out is that what this was all about? You don't need to go through all of this to do that just come on out and challenge my knowledge. Just take your current question asking HOW TO FIX MY CLUTCH, you don't even have the proper tools, what a screwdriver and a hammer and you expect people to believe you get paid to fix scooters. You are not ready for prime time, I wouldn't bring a scooter to you to change a light bulb, cause you will find a way to mess that up  Alleyoop This is really tiring I think the best thing for me to do is NOT post anything to try and help people and just come on and see if there is any troubles or pissing match's or questions about the forum. I am on ScooterDoc and Professor where we do not have any of this going on and I will just stick to helping people on those two forums and leave whoever on here do their thing. Have fun Ride Safe and keep the wind at your back. I don't know how to say any clearer that I was going be sound with the cap on and off. Only when it was off I was looking at it. It sounded the same each time.... I stopped taking you seriously when you said I don't have the proper tools...Now you in my garage too? lol Like I said the only one that did not understand were you. And actually some mfg list them at a 2 speed auto. when the belt reaches the top of the variator its in a "2nd gear". If the belt were to stay at the top of the variator is would have slow accel, like starting off in a higher gear. Do you really think your important enough to start a post about? You just find the littlest detail to feed off of and blow it up because you have nothing better to do. Maybe I should have phrased it as " Once you posted I knew it would lead up you you feeling the need to be superior.". Now your implying I don't know what i'm doing and people don't pay me.... That's false information based off of nothing at all. And of course this is tiring because you have nothing accurate or relevant to say. If you know whats best for you then why are you telling me? Makes no sense but ok. You simply don't like when someone knows something better than you. Yea your extremely smart and help a lot of people including myself, but i'm not going to sit here and let you post your little irrelevant comments to establish dominance on my post. |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 10, 2014 22:53:29 GMT -5
The problem all comes down how a problem is described by the one having the problem because usually the one having the problem is not to mechanically inclined. So what happens is the way the problem is described sends everyone off on a different part of the scooter system. Takes yours as a good example, saying the Diaphragm is being sucked down. Come to find out due to I believe Rockynv that asked the question if you had the Cover off and you did, so of course the diaphragm will be sucked down. I was wondering how you knew it was being sucked down but I did not ask, many times you have to go by what someone says so as not to make the guy look stupid or embarrass the guy. Happens a lot on any forum not just this one. So we in the know sometimes have to ask many questions to really find out were the problem may be. It all comes down in the detail of how a problem is explained. That is why many times I ask for pictures when the poster is not making much sense because pictures are worth a thousand words and really helps solve the problem quicker. Alleyoop smh... Maybe somebody left their listening ears at home. I clearly stated that I revved it up and listened to it, and then I took the cap off and looked at it while I revved it and it sounded the same. You didn't question because your answer was in the post... How else would I see??? Going my what someone says or not its common sense to know you can't see it without the cover removed.(Not to make the previous poster feel "Unintelligent") The only one that did not understand were you. Before I posted I knew exactly what my problem was, and knew it would lead up to you needing to feel "superior" towards everyone else. I said I thought it was my clutch because I knew it was my clutch,. I've have the same problem awhile ago. You think every time I have a problem I post here? Not at all, like ive said before. I bought an old sh*tty scooter and learned how to fix it within a year and now people pay me for fix theirs. I come to this forum to learn and use others ideas while i'm brain storming. Remember I consider advice. I don't take it. |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 10, 2014 2:22:46 GMT -5
Not really. I'm sure other people will come across a problem like this and will see this post and everything I said sums up what I was told to try and what actually worked. Mind you a forum is a place for intellectual discussion about a specific topic
Discusion:
Noun
1.)The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
"the proposals are not a blueprint but ideas for discussion"
2.) Consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 9, 2014 19:23:50 GMT -5
Yes there was a clutch problem ,, it's imposible to say that it had nothing to do with the clutch when we are sitting miles away . We need to be more open to other causes to get the problems solved more efficiently. He said his diaphgram was folding down so all we can do is go by what the people say and have them check out that part of the system. I still do not believe it was his clutch to cause his problems but I will leave it at that. If he is a happy camper that is all that matters. Alleyoop As soon as I changed my clutch  % of the problem went away, smooth accel. The other 10% went away(Or got masked) When I put on a stock exhaust. When I checked my belt after it broke, it looked pulled apart vs, the normal shredded look. A week prior the belt looked brand new. The clutch was stuck closed and would not open with any amount of force. My old(Spare) clutch opens and closes like it should. All leads point to the clutch failing. I tried different used carbs and diaphragms, and ended up with the same result each time. |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 9, 2014 19:10:42 GMT -5
If from idle you open the throttle it should rev right up and SHOULD not loose any rpms, if it does your setup is wrong. Your problem has nothing to do with your clutch and that already has been mentioned by Rockynv someone who knows how the cvt works. Alleyoop Yes there was a clutch problem ,, it's imposible to say that it had nothing to do with the clutch when we are sitting miles away . We need to be more open to other causes to get the problems solved more efficiently. Nicely wrote  |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 6, 2014 21:51:50 GMT -5
You have a pretty messed up bike there with so many problems it is hard to pinpoint just one. Your clutch being stuck now could just be from the bits of failed belt stuck in it however the clutch was not the root cause of your carburetion problem or your sticky valve issue. I will still hold to my feeling that if you want 250cc performance it is cheaper and you end up with a more reliable bike in the long run by simply purchasing a 250cc bike and resist the urge to tinker. Nah, just problems come in two's in my life.I knew I should have checked out the clutch I was just too lazy too. I bought a new cartb, i'm sure that will fix the problem. Theres nothing wrong with the engine because I just put it in, is so I have a spare. I would have gotten rid of it a long time ago but I just put new pirelli tires on it and it went 52mph and got there fast.I plan on getting another 50 and throwing my spare kit on it and just selling this one. |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 6, 2014 21:35:30 GMT -5
break down the clutch get out all the chinese grease clean it up real nice , lube all the pivot points regrease the bearngs , sand the bell and pads remove the glaze. Take the hour on the clutch it will be time well spent . John c The pads on the stuck clutch are new, i'm just going to switch them with a different clutch. |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 6, 2014 12:53:38 GMT -5
So on my way to work today my belt went. (Not surprised)
My clutch is stuck in the closed position and will not open. The variator looked as if the sliders came out of place and broke stuff. lol I guess that happened when it went out.
Told you it was my clutch. Or at least the was part of the problem.
I have spare clutches and variators so thats not an issue.
I threw on a on old worn belt and it revs smoother, but still has that point where is sounds like gas is being restricted, just not as bad
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 6, 2014 7:15:37 GMT -5
I adjusted them after the problem started, and always do the exhaust .001 wider than intake because it always closes up faster.
The other day I was tuning and swapped out the carb for another then swapped back and when I went it start it it had no compression. I can hear the engine spinning freely. I assumed it was the valves. Checked them and they were both over .006 didn't fully measure, but anyways...
What cause both valved to suddenly open?
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 6, 2014 0:07:03 GMT -5
I really don't know to say it any plainer.The diaphragm gets sucked in. Not falls back into place.Sucked in, like I see the rubber creator into the carb for a split sec, then rise back to its normal shape. I've tries 3 other diaphragms, same thing. I just bought another carb, I'll test and reply back
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 5, 2014 21:42:55 GMT -5
I can leave it at that but but this will continue because he can't stop . lmfao! |
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 5, 2014 21:10:31 GMT -5
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Post by jjoshua20213 on Sept 5, 2014 21:00:38 GMT -5
That is correct, notice he has a A9 high rev cam and 8 gram weights which in my opinion are to heavy and to heavy of weights will cause the rpms to drop then pick up and may repeat, that is why I asked the question. Maybe to help the troops out I should write up a topic of how a cvt works and what each part does and if one part is not working right what it will cause. Alleyoop That only happens when you hit inclines. This change is sudden, it literally sounds like i'm driving a stick and just upshifted. Or like i just let off the throttle a little. Specifically it sounds as if there is a sudden reduction in gas in the a/f mix causing it to run lean and loose power I put back in the 7g sliders when the problem first started, I had soo much power and it revved so high before and the 8 grams leveled everything out. Anything lower than 6.5 and I loose accel, top speed and waste gas on unnecessarily high rpms The engine had been broken in for awhile now. I ride this thing city to city daily The problem started over a period on 1-1.5 weeks gradually getting worse. I know what the problem is. When the bike gets to a curtain rpm the diaphragm gets sucked down. just can't figure out why yet. Never got around to working on it today. I just remembered I checked and cleaned the variator since the problem started and everything was fine. One way I tested this is by physically looking at it get sucked down while revving and removing it completely and doing a wot run. It no longer sounds like its switching into a higher gear and keeps accelerating. Only problem is there is no gas cut off and it quickly floods as soon as it idles. |
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% of the problem went away, smooth accel. The other 10% went away(Or got masked) When I put on a stock exhaust.