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Post by prodigit on Aug 31, 2013 19:35:12 GMT -5
The rear swingarm should support downto 30T sprockets. At least it does on mine. Helps to lithium grease the chain, and make sure the rear wheel is tightened (the chain has little play).
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Post by prodigit on Aug 31, 2013 19:15:13 GMT -5
Indeed, those bikes are geared too short. Too fast acceleration, needs shifting too frequently, too low top speed, and too low MPG. Unless you're planning on riding in inches deep mud, rough terrain, or on steep hills, you could easily change the gearing from the stock ??14/41T?? setup to a 16/41T or a 14/35T I wouldn't go lower than those settings. I have a 14/31T on mine, but top speed is too much susceptible to winds and hills, and acceleration even with the 17cc more, is painfully slow. But the usable 'all-day' rev range is between 30-45MPH now (up from 25-35MPH on stock), and the MPG's went up to 105MPG (occasionally gotten 118MPG), up from 84MPG. MPG's should be taken with a grain of salt, because the tank only holds 0.8 gal of fresh gas, and even after filling it up, one can overfill 10% more fuel, so those last 10% are susceptible to some variables... The metal flakes are from the transmission as well as from the engine. They will decrease. I have a similar 4 step semi-manual gearbox, and a 127cc engine, possibly a BBK on that 110cc engine. The oil intervals should be (in odo reading or km's) 50 (50km after first interval) 150 (100km after second interval) 300 (150km after third interval) 600 (300km after 4th interval) 1000 (400 km after 5th interval) 1500 (500km after 6th interval) 2200 (700km after 7th interval) 3000 (800km after 8th interval) and every 1000 consecutive km's. Read more: itistheride.boards.net/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1729&page=10#ixzz2dayam1dLoil should be ~10W40 (5W30 to 10W30 might work ok in colder places) Also it might benefit you to plug in a magnetic drain plug, to minimize metal flake circulation through the engine.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 31, 2013 19:04:21 GMT -5
that would so totally take the fun out of riding! Like really, imho a horrible idea, lol!
First it's so much more expensive than a CVT, second it's not going to work fluently, and a derailleur needs maintenance.
No, if you really want a chain for min losses, and the ease of shifting, they should invent some kind of throttle on the left hand, where you could switch between 3 modes.
Performance mode, Fast acceleration, low speed (good for city riding) Normal mode Eco mode, low acceleration, high MPG, high top speed (good for highway).
You could switch on the fly between modes, or keep it steady at one mode, and not worry about shifting. That's probably about as close as you can get.
on a 50cc it's possible to have performance mode go upto 25MPH, normal mode upto 35MPH, and eco mode upto 45MPH, but acceleration from a dead stop in that kind of eco gearing would probably be slower than a bicycle rider.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 31, 2013 18:53:46 GMT -5
Some on that page are either 300cc's, fuel injected, or trikes, which hikes up the price.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 31, 2013 18:52:36 GMT -5
The issue has always been " my toy is better than your toy" . When folks use the term "inferior" they are usually not referring to "not much", they are degrading the "inferior" product. They attempt to persuade folks that the machine is not road worthy or will not last. Jim As you may notice I am actually for chinese scoots. I agree with what you say, but I don't try to say chinese products are bad. But it is true that the quality of the product is inferior to Korean, Japanese, and US products. That being said, I have several chinese scoots mopeds, and motorcycles, and only 2 non-chinese forms of transportation, being my Honda Shadow VT750, and my car. And I only have those because they're not yet selling $6k chinese cars in USA. Despite them being inferior, they're more than safe enough for travel, when riding safely. If you plan on riding a chinese car on the highway at 100MPH (provided it could do that), you might be asking for trouble if you lose control of the wheel. In fact I wanted to buy a chevy Sonic, but they didn't have them with the 1.4l turbo engine yet. if I now had to buy a car, it would be a Sonic with 1,4l turbo engine. Instead I went with the Chevy cruze, which had that same 1,4l ecotec engine with turbo, but only had a larger body (of 3300 LBS dry weight). The 1.4 liter pulls the car so much better than any toyota I've tried, in fact, I sat in a 2009 matrix last week, and almost fell asleep, as the engine and transmission where fighting the floored pedal, slow acceleration. I was surprised that that tiny car, with 1.8 liter (400cc more displacement) had such a hard time keeping up. Good thing about the Sonic, Cruze, and the Spark as well, is that the engine housing is made out of steel, rather than aluminum. The engineers said that the steel only gave a minor weight increase, because they could make it more thin walled than with aluminum, and at the same time the engine should last almost 200k miles, compared to 120k miles on the aluminum small displacement engine. anyway, off topic, but Chinese products are great for the money! Even if they are a bit inferior to the Japanese models (just like I found the Japanese models to be inferior to modern US cars) Another topic that Sanmar touched, is performance. Quite often we need to compare different displacement for same performance, meaning acceleration or top speed. On the 50cc plane, Chinese and Japanese bikes perform much the same. But Korean or Japanese 125cc bikes often perform similar to chinese 150cc, or 200cc bikes compare to chinese 250cc bikes...
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Post by prodigit on Aug 31, 2013 4:27:17 GMT -5
So far my experiences with MX Motorsports have been not very favorable.
I found online they had a certain bike, the MC-D250-RTC-B for $200 less than competition, so I purchased with them.
Their shipping sheet said 4-5 business days for shipping to Florida, shipping happens one business day after the order got processed, not on weekends.
My order was made on friday, and processed on saturday. It's one week ahead, and i still haven't received a tracking number.
The good was they have a depot very close to my house. They promised upon my request, if I picked up the bike from their depot, that they would mount the bike in their depot, in exchange for the saving they would make on shipping. I have no problems with that; though probably will have to PDI the bike myself later on. The only reason I would like the bike to be mounted there, was that mounting the front wheel on a 150cc is about the max I can do. A 250 would be too heavy, and I don't have the proper tools to do all of this by myself. Plus they could get rid of the cage, and I'd have a place to return the bike to if things go south.
So far I've received some good promises, but no actions based upon their shipping policy yet. Since monday is a holiday, I expect shipping to be on this tuesday, which sucks, because it will mean they will have the bike on friday, and I'll have to wait until monday or tuesday to receive the bike (that would be 2,5 weeks). And then waiting another few days for the title to appear.
Not only was their shipping policy largely bull poop, also the data sheet of the bike contains a lot of errors! A LOT of them!
Anyway, so far, it's been less of an enjoyable journey as I had hoped or expected; definitely not as smooth as Superiorpowersports. I'll keep you guys updated on this!
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Post by prodigit on Aug 30, 2013 23:45:26 GMT -5
On those bikes you got to do a sprocket change, to get better MPG, and better top speed. What's the rear sprocket tooth count?
Most of the time they got great torque, but you need to rev them really high for it to gain somewhat useable speed; like in 4th gear, 2k RPM, you're probably only going 10-15MPH. To get the best gear ratio, you should rev 4k RPM @ 40MPH. You could do 55MPH with a bike like that, with the right sprocket change.
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Moving on?
by: prodigit - Aug 30, 2013 15:04:14 GMT -5
Post by prodigit on Aug 30, 2013 15:04:14 GMT -5
I've also found that there's little sense in buying a 250cc chinese new bike, when it's meant for the long run. Much better to buy a second hand Japanese bike, as many go between $2k-$4k, and last many more miles!
But you won't be getting that great gas mileage that chinese bikes get!
I've also again looked at scooters, and motorcycles, and found once I have a motorcycle endorsement, there's no reason to go with any scooter other than a well tuned 50cc, with flat floorboard and trunk, to do groceries (for fun,because I can do it in a car as well), and keep the ride for manual geared motorcycles. So much more fun to ride, and in my case can be just as fuel efficient as a scooter.
I keep my ATM50, eventhough it's a year old, and the electrics start failing (headlight, horn, blinkers). It's still a good day commuter to get the groceries done.
And since the site is not called 'scoot something else' but 'itistheride', I presumed motorcyclists where welcome here as well. I've written up a few reviews of my MC-05-127 here, which is a Chinese motorcycle. I'm sure there will be more follow-ups on those, as Chinese motorcycles still seem to speak to people's imaginations, to own a naked bike, racing bike, bobber, at 1/3rd to 1/4th the price of the cheapest Japanese bike!
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Post by prodigit on Aug 30, 2013 14:44:23 GMT -5
You know what? I would like to see a document from a real study that proves the Chinese are using inferior metal in comparison to the Japanese in the production of their scooters. Chinese materials ARE inferior to Japanese materials. Not by much, but they are. There are lots more impurities found in Chinese manufactured aluminum than in aluminum manufactured in older manufacturing plants outside of China. But it's still aluminum. Especially the same with Steel! There are several grades of steel, depending on how it's manufactured. The best steel was originally manufactured in the 1950's in Belgium, where steel factories created the 'perfect chemical balance' between iron and carbon. Many of their products can still be found today, as in fork lifts, reach trucks, and guns. That steel was the hardest steel, that you could ever get; especially if the alloy is mixed with Chrome and Vanadium. The Chinese use a spinoff method,that still makes steel, but the steel is no longer hard. It's just iron and carbon, and the carbon particles are just poured into a liquid bowl of molten iron, and not really mixed very well, resulting in steel that has particles of carbon in it, kind of like pebbles in sand or clay. The steel bends much like lead, aluminum, or iron, by a lower force than what good grade steel can withstand, and is not bouncing back to it's original state. The chinese do this, because the process is quicker, and saves them a few dollars per pound of steel. The only thing chinese are manufacturing really BAD, is chrome. It seems for some reason that their 'chrome' and 'inox steel' or 'stainless steel' always gets rusted. In fact most of the chrome I've seen on chinese bikes rust and is just polished steel. I'm glad the chinese are learning, and dealers are picking out less and less bikes showing chrome, due to the quick formation of rust; and in most of their 2013 model bikes they get rid of a lot of chrome, especially on the muffler. I remember a time when in my home country, you could place an Inox steel knife in the sink for days, weeks or months, and it won't rust. I've seen Chinese knives form rust in a matter of 2 days. Another example on lower grade materials, my TaoTao ATM50 for instance, the rear trunk holder should support only 10LBS according to the chinese. It does support upto 20LBS, and on occasion I pulled up the rear end of the scoot with it, but putting a little more force on it (like 40-50LBS), makes it bend. Clearly an inferior steel compared to the Japanese, because should a Japanese bike have an exactly the same trunk holder like that, it could carry a 225LBS person! I was surprised I could actually bend the trunk holder with one arm! So the chinese use lower quality steel too, it's easier to manufacture, but bends easier too... When I look at my Honda VT750, it's made out of glass hard steel and chrome, and gives me the impression I could frontal hit a wall at 40MPH, and apart of the fairings, and cosmetics, the bike would still ride after that. When I look at my chinese bikes, and I would be able to do a front wheelie by braking, and would hit a small pothole while doing so, I have the impression that the front fork would collapse and the front wheel would hit the engine. Just small ideas about inferior qualities of the Chinese. Does that make them bad? No. Just not as good. But the reality is that the Chinese DEFINITELY use inferior quality material in their products! And that not only in steel. Facts are known that chinese imported plastics for food, contain over 25% of non-food grade plastics, as they buy the leftover plastics of plastic manufacturing plants over the world, and sort out the plastics, by sniffing and smelling the fumes from a pellet, and by the smell grade the plastic. Think it's unreal? One of the companies doing this is called Ravago; I got intel from a friend who actually works there, and sees and knows the process. Me, working in a plastic factory, know how hard we work to keep food grade plastic separate from other plastics, but ravago takes transition plastics and mixes it all into one pot of luck! They could be mixing food grade plastic with plastics that contain cancerous substances, and melt it in one batch. Granted, the cancerous substances are in such a small quantity present within the plastics, that a person might eat his whole life with Chinese plastic spoons, forks and knives, and never get cancer. However, all that has to happen is one cancerous substance particle that detaches from the utensil, and affect one cell in the body, that becomes a tumor, and turns into a cancer cell. Just saying...
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Post by prodigit on Aug 30, 2013 3:07:09 GMT -5
yeah, it does not surprise me... It may not look a lot, but 4 to 6 hours on a china bike, is a long time! I know few people who can ride longer, but it's not a pleasant experience.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 29, 2013 14:11:46 GMT -5
I'm 160, and on level ground need a 75-110cc minimum to travel around normally. It all depends on how the bike is geared, and how steep the hills are. A 125cc should be able to get you uphill at about 40MPH (if the hills are as steep as bridges). However riding 3 miles uphill is more than likely gonna cause a lot of wear on the engine. My TaoTao EVO150 runs just fine uphill, and actually has too much torque for me. It might be right for you. I also would suggest a 150. Although Japanese 125cc's have about the same performance as chinese 150's.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 29, 2013 13:05:39 GMT -5
Farthest I've ever done was riding a 220 mile trip through the everglades on a 50cc scooter. Crazy, took me 6 full hours to do that. Next to that, to Lake Okeechobee, and another tour just up north of a town called Jupiter FL. Each is about a 200 mile ride, to and back, from where I live. The 127 cc held up like a champ. But in order to not overheat, it's better to run it at least 10MPH below top speed. In my case I was riding 20MPH below the top speed, and the bike handled it like a lawnmower handles cutting grass! Probably same engine too.
I've bought a 250cc, which I think is plenty for touring. The 127 got 1000km's in just 2 weeks, and I thought of reducing that a bit. A 250 should handle this much better! My next goals are Orlando, Daytona, and perhaps I'll even go as far as Jackson ville, or the North border of FL, which is a crazy 8 hours ride, 8 hours back!
There's really no reason why a 150cc won't be able to make a cross country ride, just as long as you stay off of interstates and highways, limit speed to about 45-50MPH, and are not going through the rocky mountains, or some dense forest, there's no reason why not. Just keep up with the oilchanges. Most 150cc's do 15-20k miles without changing the engine, it doesn't matter if you do it in several pieces, or in one go after the engine is broken in. And for $1000 per chinese scoot, it's almost better than renting a car!
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Post by prodigit on Aug 29, 2013 12:49:44 GMT -5
That's what you get when you do upgrades. Last time I checked my TaoTao ATM50's belt was around 4000km (~3000 miles), and it was as good as new.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 29, 2013 11:02:04 GMT -5
I measure by totally topping off the tank. I've got a digital fuel meter, but know when the first led goes out, 50% of my fuel is gone. It does 80- miles per fuelup. for some reason there's ~0.4gal of fuel left in the tank that I can't seem to get out. I wished I could, as fueling up every 80 miles is like every 1,5 to 2 hours while riding.
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Post by prodigit on Aug 29, 2013 3:49:42 GMT -5
Have you looked at bobbers or modern 250cc cruiser bikes? They all have saddles under 31in. I don't know if that's too high for you or not.
Just saying that not all bikes nowadays are like motocross bikes anymore. The saddles are quite low.
Kymco is the best, but expensive. Nice you have a kymco dealer nearby. There is none in Miami. Only local stores around here carry Japanese or "USA"-made (United States of chinA, or something).
Yeah, I've looked on cycletrader, but in Florida there's nothing. Perhaps there's something in your neighborhood. Craigslist and cycletrader are the 2 most common ones to find good second hand deals on.
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