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Post by yelloscoot on Dec 23, 2015 17:36:13 GMT -5
Hello Everyone. Maybe you can help. I'm looking seriously into buying a new 250cc. I've found this one and Love the trunk. Nice sporty lines and great style. IMHO linkBut, they are showing "Out of Stock". I haven't been able to talk to anyone yet...eternal hold.. I've browsed through 350 or so of the 626 reviews and no mention of this bike. I really don't know anything about the company. They have a video and ad for it. That's all I've seen on my searches. Video MCR-18 250cc Scooter
I'm also looking at: BMS TBX 260 EFI Jonway YY250T Roketa MC54-250 Any thoughts on these? Thanks, Loren
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Dec 23, 2015 19:06:24 GMT -5
i'm getting a lot of the same thing. 250cc scooters might not be available in the US anymore, although i have seen them listed on sites like roketa they always appear to be "sold out". i've also been looking for a 250 scooter, especially the 244, simply because i have a lot of experience with this engine size. instead of looking for the entire scooter, i've been looking into just the engine, because i already have the frame. scrappydog sells this engine, and it seems it might fit my frame. be aware that there are 3 different styles of the 244, the short case that mounts a 12 inch wheel, the long case that mounts a 13 inch wheel, and the cart, which isn't meant for scooters. good luck in your search, let us know if you find a 244 scoot. several sites have them listed, but none of them are available. edit: there appears to be several 250s on the following site, but it's a dealers only site. you will need to find a dealer that would be willing and able to order from them: www.roketa.com/product/productlist/2610.shtmlthe scoots available are: MC-54-250; a 244cc MC-54-300| a 257cc
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Post by yelloscoot on Dec 23, 2015 19:21:23 GMT -5
I've done pretty good with my 150's. Stepping up to a 250cc seems a little daunting. My knowledge of them is zilch, nada, zip and zero. But, I'm always up for a challenge.
I really have my heart set on the one listed. But if it's not going to happen I need to keep looking. Any opinions on the others listed? Anything would help my decision to start leaning toward something.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Dec 23, 2015 20:43:55 GMT -5
I've done pretty good with my 150's. Stepping up to a 250cc seems a little daunting. My knowledge of them is zilch, nada, zip and zero. But, I'm always up for a challenge. I really have my heart set on the one listed. But if it's not going to happen I need to keep looking. Any opinions on the others listed? Anything would help my decision to start leaning toward something. i don't think there would be that much of a difference between a 150 and 250, just a little more of what you already have. i have no experience with roketa brands. my brand was the komoto and it had the geniune CFmoto 244. i put almost 10,000 miles on this bike. BTW, i suggest getting as much bike as you can afford. if you can afford a "brand name" scooter, then do not get a chinese brand. OTOH, i wouldn't trade my chinese experience for anything, because it has given me valuable hands on experience i would never have gotten with a name brand bike. - my 2 cents from an old fart.
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Post by yelloscoot on Dec 23, 2015 21:21:23 GMT -5
I turned 15,000 miles on Yellow last week. I'm still a big fan of Roketa. I'm really wanting a larger scoot for highway runs to expand my reach around Dallas.
There is a new 2014 Jonway YY250T nearby that I am curious about though. ?IDK?
Yes...I have seen that in my searches. May try to find a Roketa dealer locally and see what they know/can do. It's worth a shot. Thanks.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Dec 23, 2015 22:56:06 GMT -5
I turned 15,000 miles on Yellow last week. I'm still a big fan of Roketa. I'm really wanting a larger scoot for highway runs to expand my reach around Dallas. There is a new 2014 Jonway YY250T nearby that I am curious about though. ?IDK? the 244 honda clone will cruise all day long at 65 mph without a sweat, and have a little left. a lot of that depends on the roller weight. the scoot i had shipped with about 11 gram rollers, this was too light for me. it gave me very fast take off speeds and i could hit 60 or so in less than 5 seconds. i preferred a little slower take off with extra torque at the upper end, so i installed 20 gram rollers. this gave me good acceleration and a good top end, with so so acceleration above 60 mph. if you plan on doing highway cruising, then i recommend installing heavier rollers. with just some minor tweaks, you could probably get 80 mph out of a 244. the 244 was designed for WOT running. the crank bearings are ball bearings instead of bushings. remember, there are 2 types of 250s, the 244 and the 257. what i post about 250s applies mostly to the 244.
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Post by yelloscoot on Dec 24, 2015 8:19:15 GMT -5
I got a reply late last night on the time frame for the new Roketa......Some time in March Dollar.25,your last post really helped. If they are open today, being Christmas Eve, I'll try to get over and see the Jonway. It has the 244cc, so it says, in the Craigslisting. Is there an engine code I should be looking for?,.... ie: 150cc 157QMJ After some further research, I see, I'm also looking for a vertical engine. Is that correct? Thanks for the info.
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Post by SylvreKat on Dec 24, 2015 9:30:34 GMT -5
So what's a "Soaring" scooter?
Maybe I'm a snob. But when a supposedly professional website is that filled with typos and bad grammar and just plain inaccurate info (seat height is listed as 30" one place, 32+ another place) and absence of info ("Front tire--no"--really? There's no tires on this bike? Or nobody could bother to check their sizes when they mismeasured the seat height?) it makes me wonder how carefully they really look into that whatever I was looking at.
These, plus the fact they say they do a complete PDI and then tell you to have a licensed mechanic go over it "before riding", would make me really leery of these folks. But then, I am NOT mechanical at all, so I would be stuck if things turned out hinky.
Another thought--if it's a new model, how much was changed from previous models? I've had several folks warn me to never buy the first year of a new model. Nor of a major overhaul of an existing model. Sure, the manufacturers test them, but there's always quirks and bugs that the consumers find for them.
Otherwise, looks like a nice scooter. Has better hp than one of the other 250s I compared on the same site.
>'Kat
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Dec 24, 2015 9:48:22 GMT -5
Is there an engine code I should be looking for?,.... ie: 150cc 157QMJ After some further research, I see, I'm also looking for a vertical engine. Is that correct? Thanks for the info. yes, the 244cc is a vertical engine. other identifying phrases: 244cc, 172MM, honda clone. another thing you need to be aware of is that there are 3 types of 244. 244cc short case mounts a 12 inch wheel 244cc long case mounts a 13 inch wheel the specs of the bike in question should list the front and rear wheel size the other 244 is the cart the cart engine is used in dune buggies and some parts from this engine will not fit the other 2, the variator for example.
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Post by dollartwentyfive on Dec 24, 2015 9:51:37 GMT -5
So what's a "Soaring" scooter? Maybe I'm a snob. But when a supposedly professional website is that filled with typos and bad grammar and just plain inaccurate info (seat height is listed as 30" one place, 32+ another place) and absence of info ("Front tire--no"--really? There's no tires on this bike? Or nobody could bother to check their sizes when they mismeasured the seat height?) it makes me wonder how carefully they really look into that whatever I was looking at. These, plus the fact they say they do a complete PDI and then tell you to have a licensed mechanic go over it "before riding", would make me really leery of these folks. But then, I am NOT mechanical at all, so I would be stuck if things turned out hinky. Another thought--if it's a new model, how much was changed from previous models? I've had several folks warn me to never buy the first year of a new model. Nor of a major overhaul of an existing model. Sure, the manufacturers test them, but there's always quirks and bugs that the consumers find for them. Otherwise, looks like a nice scooter. Has better hp than one of the other 250s I compared on the same site. >'Kat i'm not sure if you are referring to the site i posted or not. the site i posted is geared to dealers, not the public. i think dealers are aware that all sccoters have wheels.
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Post by yelloscoot on Dec 24, 2015 10:36:33 GMT -5
Yes Kat. LOL I've noticed the same things. Also the Kw/HP conversions are totally wacky when I converted them between the different sites. Those numbers just don't jive. Although I feel the 16.6 HP on Roketa's site sounds closer to correct than the 23.7HP on Pro's site.
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Post by rockynv on Dec 24, 2015 11:35:23 GMT -5
Remember the switch is in place to move to 300 and 400cc instead of 250cc bikes. Same to less hp in many cases on the 250 to 300cc jump but at a lower rpm.
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Post by yelloscoot on Dec 24, 2015 15:41:34 GMT -5
So now you tell me...LOL. Just got home with a brand new Jonway Glider YY250T.
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Post by urbanmadness on Dec 24, 2015 17:46:24 GMT -5
The 250cc bikes are ok, but they do have unique problems. The 244's are usually jetted way too lean and when you are looking at one, check where the radiator is. Make sure the fuel tank isn't in the way of air flow. It's a problem with the ol 250de's with floor tanks (some 250de's had a floor/hump tank some had the tank under the seat) The one's with the tank in the floor tended to not have enough air flow for the radiator. Just something to be mindful of.
Do yourself a favor, anytime you get a chinese 250. Go to the honda Car dealer (not the motorcycle dealer) and pick up a gallon of coolant. (it's the same stuff they use in the bikes but it's cheaper at the Automotive dealer) and flush the chinese stuff out. Then do they typical PDI stuff (vacuum lines, fuel lines, oils and brake fluid). The 250's I've worked on (and I've worked on two), I've had to change the carbs on both, and the clutch on both. The Carb will get to the point where the bike won't idle right, so the PO's bumped up the idle speed (instead of figuring out why the carb was not working right), then that would slightly engage the clutch and glaze it. So, if you get one, and it gets to where it's not holding an idle, don't just simply up the idle speed find out why.
on the 244's, remember the engine design is from the 80's. I'm sure they are not the cleanest running engines in the world and wouldn't be surprised if they get phased out for emission reasons. Might be why you are not seeing many of them on the market anymore. I'm sure FI will become standard on the bigger bikes soon.
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Post by reggie on Dec 25, 2015 22:20:52 GMT -5
I bought a Linhai 300 about 3 months ago used. Before I bought it I checked to see if there were any dealers in the U.S.A. There are several. They will ship and not much work is required to put it together. The tires mostly. Mine has a 275 cc liquid motor looks like a Yamaha YP 250. Mine has 9000 miles on it and runs great. I weight 283 pounds and it will go 70 mph. Around town I get 51-55 mpg. Rides good too. Check them out.
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