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Post by graywolf on Mar 30, 2013 21:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by skuttadawg on Mar 30, 2013 22:22:33 GMT -5
My dealer has a Peace similar like in your link but it has white wall tires .
Are you looking for a 150 or 50 ?
I have always preferred a manual wet clutch or a semi auto or CVT myself . I got to ride a 1952 Piagio Vespa which was a 125 or 150cc 2T with a manual 4 speed . Instead of having a toeshifter like on motorcycles it has a twist grip shifter like on some bicycles . Clutch is the same but it took some getting used to like when a cager pulled out in front of me and no way did I want a wreck an almost museum quality scooter that was fully restored that my buddy paid 4 grand for .
Most scooters have body panels that cover up and protect the components where a cruiser style motorcycle its exposed as a crotch rocket has panels and fairings that would need to be removed when doing repairs . I do not have a picture or a link but my scooter dealer had an Elvis ( yes Elvis ) scooter and said it was a pain to remove all the body parts just to get to the engine . Many common scooters you can remove the whole seat bucket if you need more space to work than through the access panel . My Jonway Magnum has a handsome boy body style like a Peace VIP which has an additional access panel in the front to get to the sparkplug . Since mine is a 2T with a rear facing carb I can change out the jets without removing the carb . I just loosen the screw clamp on the intake and turn it without messing with the body at all .
I have always been a wrencher since I was 9 and everytime I looked for cars one of the important factors beside price was ease of being able to work on it like a Honda Civic which is a great car and easy to get to everything . Some of the V 6 cars you have to loosen up the engine mounts and use a engine lift to tilt it up to get to the cylinder bank next to the firewall , which is stupid design .
All scooters regardless of the brand will need servicing like oil changes , sparkplug , clean or replace the airfilter and adjust the valves on 4Ts . A cheap scooter often is upgraded by most like replacing the fuel and vacuum lines , larger main jet and a NGK sparkplug to have it better than stock . I learned that TaoTao is nothing like a Honda quality and after I fixed it up I sold it for 700 which is what I paid for it but had a better engine than the stock one . My CFMoto Echarm has only had a NGK iridium ( came with standard NGK ) , oil changes every 1,000 miles , with the first at 250 miles , again at 500 since it was breaking in , replaced the belt at 12,000 miles , upgraded to DR P sliders , valves adjusted at 2,200 miles and still is in much better shape than many others when new . I am almost at 15,000 miles and it still runs very strong . I did the research before buying it as I did not want another disposables . I am used to Honda , Suzuki and Italian rides and the TaoTao was my first China toy
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Post by urbanmadness on Mar 31, 2013 3:00:47 GMT -5
You can remove the seat pan on many of the retro's to get to the carb, fuel pump and plug. You do end up removing the rear section and floor bard to do valve adjustments tho. Yea, it's a pain, but then so is a MotoBrovo hornet. I had to remove all the front fairings, and drop the tank to do a valve adjustment. Every scooter is an adventure...=)
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Post by graywolf on Mar 31, 2013 16:24:17 GMT -5
That was one of the neat things about the Vespa (and I suppose the Stella), just pop off the engine side cowl and there was the engine, gearbox and every thing hanging on the side of the wheel. I sometimes wonder how the scooter that was designed to be the cheapest possible construction became the most expensive scooter to buy?
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Post by rockynv on Mar 31, 2013 23:02:30 GMT -5
That was one of the neat things about the Vespa (and I suppose the Stella), just pop off the engine side cowl and there was the engine, gearbox and every thing hanging on the side of the wheel. I sometimes wonder how the scooter that was designed to be the cheapest possible construction became the most expensive scooter to buy? It was designed by an aircraft engineer to keep the rider clean by isolating them from the mechanicals and to provide economical trasportation however not to be the cheapest possible. Others have found ways to make them cheaper but those have not in the long run been more economical.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 9:58:40 GMT -5
I dunno...they look bloated and slow to me ..at least mine looks fast!
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Post by superscootsuperman on Apr 12, 2013 23:58:30 GMT -5
i like the "retro" look fine. if it has some nice details up close, all the better. i favor it over some of the Jetsons look scooters coming out of china and other places. but mostly china. they tend to plastic fantastic the scoots up in a way that makes me scream for an OG style scoot some makers do better then others. i am not a fan of the SYM Fiddle II, for instance. but the Honda 'Met, Kymco Like, and Yamaha Vino are cool. as are others. Lance does well with its two retro scooter offerings imo. though the handlebars on the Cali Classic are clownish imo these days i prefer some modern styling cues with the retro look. think Genuine Buddy or something like it. that is "retro" but has some modern styling touches that are more then cosmetic. the way the rear faring rises UP rather then hanging down, for instance. which i believe gives it roomy under seat storage. it looks better then the faring hanging down like on a Vespa, etc i also prefer the look of more minimalist scooters that have a stripped down, or sporty look. such as the Piaggio Typhoon, Agility 125, and Yamaha Zuma The Typhoon is pretty awesome imo. pretty sure i now prefer this style in a small wheeled scooter
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Post by rockynv on Apr 13, 2013 7:17:04 GMT -5
My dealer has a Peace similar like in your link but it has white wall tires . Are you looking for a 150 or 50 ? I do not have a picture or a link but my scooter dealer had an Elvis ( yes Elvis ) scooter and said it was a pain to remove all the body parts just to get to the engine . Many common scooters you can remove the whole seat bucket if you need more space to work than through the access panel . Puma Elvis is just a Znen Boat Tailied Vintage similar to the Lance Vintage. 4 bolts removes the seat bucket to get at the engine. Rear body removal is like just about any other Vintage. Luggage rack off with 4 bolts, passenger grips off with the other 2, 1 bolt to remove each passenger foot peg, 2 bolts in the rear crome, 1 top center and 2 allen bolts on either side up front, 2 phillips a little further back, unhook it and it slides right off while disconnecting the tail light harness. Takes about 5 minutes or less even with simple hand tools. I do not believe I have missed anything even after 2 years since trading the bike. Had that off so many times in the 5,000 miles I owned the Lance that I could almost do it in my sleep. I have not had to do that even once in the 15,000 miles that I have owned my current bike. I believe that Puma did not have license to use the name Elvis so they had to change the name to the Romeo and partnered it with the Juliet: www.pumacycles.com/50cc---amp;--150cc----Romeo.htmlwww.pumacycles.com/50cc---amp;--150cc----Juliet.html
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Post by SylvreKat on Apr 13, 2013 8:28:20 GMT -5
wolf, I think some is cost and some is preference.
Me, I really dislike the retro look. Dunno why in particular, but just don't like it. When I saw the sporty BV, *that* I liked right from the start! Same with motorcycles, not that I'll ever get one. But I do like the look of the sports bikes over the cruisers.
That's why there's different looks by the same manufacturer--'cause we all have different tastes. ***** rocky, I don't think you can copyright a person's name. Otherwise Elvis the ice skater would be in trouble. And Elvis Costello. Unless Puma was using the original Elvis' image too, that might cause a tiff.
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Post by bigmac on Apr 14, 2013 0:16:50 GMT -5
I like the looks of retro style scooters myself. They're often very classy looking and have nice chrome trim.
However, I do think that riding one could draw more attention on the rider. If I rode one, I'd probably have a lot more random people making comments to me about my scooter than I do now with my modern looking one.
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Post by graywolf on Apr 17, 2013 15:46:21 GMT -5
My dealer has a Peace similar like in your link but it has white wall tires . Are you looking for a 150 or 50 ? 150
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Post by rockynv on Apr 18, 2013 4:18:18 GMT -5
rocky, I don't think you can copyright a person's name. Otherwise Elvis the ice skater would be in trouble. And Elvis Costello. Unless Puma was using the original Elvis' image too, that might cause a tiff. >'Kat The intent was kind of obvious. It was not called the Elvis Costello, Elvis Smith or Elvis Wu Fang ;> (after its designer possibly?).
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Post by scootermass on Apr 18, 2013 9:17:12 GMT -5
JeepSteve92X: I owned a Suzuki TU-250X. I bought it the 1st year it came out & the retail price was $3499.00, now it's $4399.00! It's so "not worth it" I bought it based on looks, sold my Kymco People S200 scooter in-trade to the dealer. The fun wore-off within 2 years. It only has 19.3HP, but it is fuel-injected which was nice. I sold it last year & scored a Kymco GTi300 (29HP) & I'm happy now. I never cared for the "retro" look myself. I think because I like the sporty look & love 16" rims! This 10" tires are too "cute" for my liking. Plus...I don't like how they ride over 45MPH. Kymco makes a fairly decent (that's affordable) Like 200i for $2699.00 I appreciate the larger 12" rims & it doesn't have a lot of cheap chrome here: www.kymcousa.com/showroom/scooters/like200i/specifications.htmlIt's FI with dual disc brakes & a solid 2-year warranty. If I was going to buy a 10" rim Retro scooter then I would consider the Bintelli "Vibe" (Znen-built) with many upgrades. Plus a "real" 2-year warranty & 1-year roadside assistance. Not my cup of tea looks wise...but I like the company. www.bintelli.com/150cc/vibe-150cc
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