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Post by michaeljc70 on Mar 23, 2013 9:14:03 GMT -5
I finally got my Tao Tao ATM50 started yesterday. I am in Chicago, and it wouldn't quite turnover even after charging the battery. I put a heater near it (in my garage) and after 20 minutes, it started no problem.
I think it is the oil. I bought the scooter in the fall and have no idea what oil is in there. My question is, what kind of oil should I use? I won't be riding it in very cold weather, but I'd like to be able to get it started in 40 degree and up weather. I believe the OEM calls for 10w40.
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Post by millsc on Mar 23, 2013 9:20:21 GMT -5
I use 10w 40 all year around, unless its summer and a new piston, then i use 15w 40 rotella for break in.
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Post by scootzy on Mar 23, 2013 9:40:26 GMT -5
I run castrol gtx 5/30w for break in. on my new scoot changed oil as soon as I got it then changed again at 50mi., again at 150mi. then 250. Every 750mi. after that. After the 250mi full synthetic oil. Castrol Edge Titanium oil, I'm a castrol guy, U can use whatever you want. I found that castrol works very well in every vehicle. Winter I run with 5/30w Summer 10/30w
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Post by prodigit on Mar 23, 2013 14:12:53 GMT -5
I used 5W30 for break in. Then later I switched to 10W40, and now I run it with 15W40, however, with 15W40 I have some hard starts as well when the weather isn't above 75-80 degrees. 15W40 is great for hot summer weather! 10W40 did a good job in my winters (65-70 degrees). If your winters are closer to 32, perhaps you should look into 10w30 or 5w30.
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Post by woowilly on Mar 23, 2013 15:37:31 GMT -5
multi grade oil was created to make it easier to spin the engine fast enough to start it with the starter when real cold. for cold climates run 5-XX or 10-XX multigrade oil and get the biggest battery you can fit in. richening up the idle for winter helps it start easier in really cold weather too. Just gotta remember not to let it sit idling too long or it'll foul out the plug. ( and remember to readjust carb idle mixture back once the cold season is over. )
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Post by imnts2 on Mar 23, 2013 15:49:54 GMT -5
Generally there is not good reason to use anything other the 5- 30 all winter long. Of curse, a starter wron may be not turning the engine quickly enough to start on a cold day. GHood luck
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Post by prodigit on Mar 23, 2013 16:58:54 GMT -5
multi grade oil was created to make it easier to spin the engine fast enough to start it with the starter when real cold. for cold climates run 5-XX or 10-XX multigrade oil and get the biggest battery you can fit in. richening up the idle for winter helps it start easier in really cold weather too. Just gotta remember not to let it sit idling too long or it'll foul out the plug. ( and remember to readjust carb idle mixture back once the cold season is over. ) If you'd be running 5W30 vs 5W50, you'd have way less actual oil with 5W50 in your engine, and much more thickening agent in there. That thickening agent does nothing to lubricate your engine, and the further the numbers are apart, basically the more even the viscosity of the oil, but the worse the quality and lifetime of the oil is. 5W20 is about the lowst I'd put in a scooter, only for those who are running in bitter cold regions always below freezing point. I personally don't like 5W30, 10W30 gives you more actual oil, and as long as the engine can start fine on a cold engine, there's no need to go lower (like 5W30 or 5W20). Basically to determine what kind of oil is best for your scoot, is to take an average cold day, on a cold engine, and if it doesn't start well (not a starter or battery issue), then take a step down. In most cases, on an air cooled 50cc engine, and between 45-65 degrees, 10W30 is good oil. 10W40 does nothing to improve this. Only go up in the last number (eg from 10W30 to 10W40), if you notice too much engine vibration while riding. Even in the hottest regions, (with + degrees weather), and on a 4 stroke 50cc, I would not recommend anything beyond 15W40. Getting too thick oil, regardless of outside temperature, will degrade performance. Getting too thin oil, could wear out the engine faster, cause vibrations that may cause bolts to come loose, and parts like cables or hoses to break or wear out sooner, and too thin oil sometimes makes you loose compression, because of lousy piston ring sealing. Besides, if you choose too thin oil, like 5W20, and the temperature is hot, and the engine is a small 50cc (or BBK) aircooled engine, you'll notice some of the oil to evaporate through the exhaust. And if it does, causes spark plugs to be black, and valves to have carbon deposit on them. And when valves have carbon deposit on them, they don't close as well, resulting in compression loss, which results in performance loss, and the adjustment screws will wear out faster, as the valve will start to not close as well anymore; making it necessary to do an earlier valve adjustment than normal.
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Post by Jarlaxle on Mar 24, 2013 9:06:33 GMT -5
For cold, I would probably run 5W-40 (or even 0W-40) synthetic. The 5W-40 is diesel engine oil (Rotella T, Mobil Delvac or Truck and SUV), the 0W-40 is sold by Mobil as "European car" oil.
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Post by wutzthedeal on Mar 24, 2013 15:17:01 GMT -5
I normally run 10w40, but dropped to 10w30 recently to try to help w/cold weather running and it does seem to do better with consistency in rpms at idle and acceleration w/o hesitations. I'll go back to 10w40 in late spring.
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