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Post by alleyoop on Jul 31, 2014 13:12:54 GMT -5
Right on Jerry, lot of hoopla over nothing really these are not Ferrari precision made motors they are just modified lawn motor engines. Just pick your favorite flavor of oil whichever you have a taste for and change the oil at frequent intervals My odometer goes to 999 so I set it to zero every time I change the oil and when it clicks to 999 I change it again no biggie. Alleyoop
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Post by rockynv on Jul 31, 2014 23:16:40 GMT -5
Glorified lawn mower engines may be a bit off since scooters, even the GY6 variety, run at pretty much in the 8,000 rpm range while lawn mower engines to meet blade tip velocity regulations generally run at around 3,000 rpm (varies based on blade length). Most of the low end mowers just use a paddle wheel to splash oil on the crank and towards the cylinder which you can get away with at their relatively low rpm while the GY6 does have/need a pressurized oil system with an oil pump. Still pretty basic but not as basic as a lawn mower.
You do have to look at what you have and how you use it. On a GY6 there is not much benefit to using anything more than a basic oil that meets the specs for use in a scooter/motorcycle while at the higher end of the spectrum with more power per cc, real oil filtration and 6,000 + mile oil change intervals you go by the book and use the best scooter/motorcycle oil you can find.
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Post by danno on Aug 2, 2014 4:24:35 GMT -5
I think this makes a lot of sense.... link
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Post by scootdoggydog on Aug 4, 2014 2:24:22 GMT -5
Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 Synthetic oil. Synthetic oil is used as a substitute for lubricant refined from petroleum when operating in extremes of temperature, because, in general, it provides superior mechanical and chemical properties to those found in traditional mineral oils. Aircraft jet engines, for example, require the use of synthetic oils, whereas aircraft piston engines do not. Though marketed as an engine oil for diesel trucks, Rotella oil has found popularity with motorcyclists as well. The lack of "friction modifiers" in Rotella means they do not interfere with wet clutch operations. (This is called a "shared sump" design, which is unlike automobiles which maintain separate oil reservoirs - one for the engine and one for the transmission). Used oil analysis (UOA) reports on BobIsTheOilGuy.com have shown wear metals levels comparable to oils marketed as motorcycle-specific. Likewise with motorcycles, though marketed as an engine oil for diesel trucks, Rotella T6 5w-40 synthetic oil has also found popularity with drivers and tuners of gasoline powered vehicles that utilize turbocharging or other forms of forced induction. Several drivers of high performance model cars have adopted its use due to its high heat tolerance, as well as its lower zinc additive amount.
The technical advantages of synthetic motor oils include: Better low- and high-temperature viscosity performance at service temperature extremes Better (higher) Viscosity Index (VI) Better chemical and shear stability Decreased evaporative loss Resistance to oxidation, thermal breakdown, and oil sludge problems Possibility to extended drain intervals, with the environmental benefit of less used oil waste generated Improved fuel economy in certain engine configurations Better lubrication during extreme cold weather starts Possibly a longer engine life Superior protection against "ash" and other deposit formation in engine hot spots (in particular in turbochargers and superchargers) for less oil burnoff and reduced chances of damaging oil passageway clogging. Increased horsepower and torque due to less initial drag on engine Improved Fuel Economy (FE)
The disadvantage of synthetic motor oil is that its more expensive than mineral oils.
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Post by rockynv on Aug 4, 2014 13:04:59 GMT -5
Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 Synthetic oil. Synthetic oil is used as a substitute for lubricant refined from petroleum when operating in extremes of temperature, because, in general, it provides superior mechanical and chemical properties to those found in traditional mineral oils. Aircraft jet engines, for example, require the use of synthetic oils, whereas aircraft piston engines do not. Though marketed as an engine oil for diesel trucks, Rotella oil has found popularity with motorcyclists as well. The lack of "friction modifiers" in Rotella means they do not interfere with wet clutch operations. (This is called a "shared sump" design, which is unlike automobiles which maintain separate oil reservoirs - one for the engine and one for the transmission). Used oil analysis (UOA) reports on BobIsTheOilGuy.com have shown wear metals levels comparable to oils marketed as motorcycle-specific. Likewise with motorcycles, though marketed as an engine oil for diesel trucks, Rotella T6 5w-40 synthetic oil has also found popularity with drivers and tuners of gasoline powered vehicles that utilize turbocharging or other forms of forced induction. Several drivers of high performance model cars have adopted its use due to its high heat tolerance, as well as its lower zinc additive amount. The technical advantages of synthetic motor oils include: Better low- and high-temperature viscosity performance at service temperature extremes Better (higher) Viscosity Index (VI) Better chemical and shear stability Decreased evaporative loss Resistance to oxidation, thermal breakdown, and oil sludge problems Possibility to extended drain intervals, with the environmental benefit of less used oil waste generated Improved fuel economy in certain engine configurations Better lubrication during extreme cold weather starts Possibly a longer engine life Superior protection against "ash" and other deposit formation in engine hot spots (in particular in turbochargers and superchargers) for less oil burnoff and reduced chances of damaging oil passageway clogging. Increased horsepower and torque due to less initial drag on engine Improved Fuel Economy (FE) The disadvantage of synthetic motor oil is that its more expensive than mineral oils. Doesn't really hit a bulls-eye on a GY6 with no filtration and 500 mile oil changes or many Chinese 250's either. The cheapest conventional motorcycle oil is all you really need in a normal GY6.
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Post by danno on Aug 4, 2014 13:15:37 GMT -5
After reading and listening to the many opinions on this subject, I made my decision. I went to Walmart and bought the cheapest conventional 10W-40 oil with the API approval stamp on it.I decided synthetics are better, but not worth paying double and sometimes triple the cost, especially if you change the oil as much as I do.
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Post by alleyoop on Aug 4, 2014 14:39:33 GMT -5
+10 Danno, as long as you change the oil frequently it is a no brainer really. We are not on the race track running the motors for all they have for hours. Also syn oils since it is very fine will find any little speck to leak out of and you may see some oil leaks . But like I have said, you use what you want and pay what you want, just change it at LEAST every 1000 miles what is it going to cost you just a few bucks for a quart, and since they only take about 3/4 of a quart the fourth change is free All this to do about nada just peoples opinions about the oil they use. I could take their machine and put in something else and NOT ONE would know the difference. Alleyoop
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Post by ghcoe on Aug 9, 2014 20:47:13 GMT -5
Makes you wonder what they use to use before they had synthetic oils doesn't it?
I use Rotella 15-40w because it has the highest ZDDP additive for modern oil. What is ZDDP? Well it is something that all non-roller cam engines need to cushion impact on the valve train. I also add STP oil additive to boost the ZDDP in all my older motors that have non-roller cams. Also, it is just a great oil.
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Post by tattoodirt on Oct 16, 2014 11:47:14 GMT -5
Makes you wonder what they use to use before they had synthetic oils doesn't it? I use Rotella 15-40w because it has the highest ZDDP additive for modern oil. What is ZDDP? Well it is something that all non-roller cam engines need to cushion impact on the valve train. I also add STP oil additive to boost the ZDDP in all my older motors that have non-roller cams. Also, it is just a great oil. I use 15-40w Rotella also, as recomended by my mechanic. He uses it in all gy6 he works on from scoots to atvs and go carts. I trust him since he is a great mechanic and he is also family.
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Post by dmartin95 on Oct 17, 2014 12:14:50 GMT -5
This is the oil I use: The gear Oil I use: ------------------------------------ I see there's bit of debate and people asking about fact vs opinion.... I am going to provide a link from Mobil with some facts, but I am not going to try and substantiate any of it. I'm sharing info and will not get into which is better. Mobil 1 Synthetic FAQ'sTwo excerpts: Can different synthetic motor oils be mixed together?Mobil 1™ synthetic oil is fully compatible with conventional motor oils, semi-synthetic motor oils and other synthetic motor oils, should it be necessary to mix them. However, it is important to note that the superior performance of Mobil 1 oil will be reduced by diluting it in any way. ------------------------- MYTH: You should break in your engine with conventional oil, then switch to a synthetic like Mobil 1™ oil. REALITY: You can start using Mobil 1 synthetic oil in new vehicles at any time, even in brand new vehicles. In fact, Mobil 1 synthetic is original equipment (it is installed at the factory) in:Aston Martin DB9, DB9 Volante, Rapide S, V12 Vantage Coupe and Roadster, V12 Zagato, Vanquish and Vanquish Volante Bentley Continental Flying Spur, Continental GT, Continental GTC and Mulsanne Chevrolet Corvette C6R.S, Z06, ZR1, Grand Sport Coupe and the Corvette C7 Stingray with the Z51 Performance Package Chevrolet COPO Camaro and Cobalt, Columbia Model McLaren MP4-12C and P1 Mercedes AMG: C 63 AMG, C 63 AMG Estate, C 63 AMG Coupe, C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series CL 63 AMG CL 65 AMG CLS 63 AMG Coupe, CLS 63 AMG Shooting Brake, CLS 63 AMG S-Model Coupe, CLS 63 AMG S-Model Shooting Brake E 63 AMG, E 63 Estate AMG, E 63 AMG S-Model, E 63 AMG S-Model Estate G 63 AMG G 65 AMG GL 63 AMG ML 63 AMG S 63 AMG SL 63 AMG SL 65 AMG SLK 55 AMG SLS AMG Coupe, SLS AMG Roadster, SLS AMG GT Coupe, SLS AMG GT Roadster, SLS AMG Coupe Black Series Nissan GT-R Porsche: 911 Carrera, Carrera S, Carrera Cabriolet, Carrera S Cabriolet, Turbo, Turbo S 911 GT2 and GT3 Boxster and Boxster S Cayenne, Cayenne S
One of the myths surrounding synthetic oils is that new engines require a break-in period with conventional oil. The fact is, current engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in period. As indicated by the decisions of the engineers who design the high-performance cars listed above, Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil can be used starting the day you drive the car off the showroom floor.
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