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Post by danno on Jul 28, 2014 4:21:37 GMT -5
Hello...
I'm going to need to change my oil soon and I'm strongly considering using Amsoil 10w-40 both in the engine and final drive. Was wondering what you all use. Regular or Synthetic? What brands and why? Does it even matter to you, or you get whatever is on sale at a good price? Just interested in hearing various opinions on the subject....
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Post by Kwagga on Jul 28, 2014 4:56:11 GMT -5
I use synthetic in my Sym. I have read that Chinese scooters should not use synthetic oil as it messes up the seals. Synthetic should only be used after a scooter has around 2500 - 3000 miles. Once using synthetic you cannot go back to normal oil. Unless specified, Synthetic oil shouldn't be used with a wet clutch system.
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Post by SylvreKat on Jul 28, 2014 6:38:28 GMT -5
...Once using synthetic you cannot go back to normal oil. ... Just wondering why not? And my answer to danno is, "Whatever the bike mech put in there." edit--I do know it's not cheap whatever grade. I don't remember now, but I did actually recognize the brand from being mentioned here. >'Kat
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Post by jimboeau on Jul 28, 2014 8:26:59 GMT -5
After break-in I've used Mobil-1 0W-40 full synthitic. Seems to work well. I have a Chinese 50cc.
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Post by Kwagga on Jul 28, 2014 9:00:26 GMT -5
...Once using synthetic you cannot go back to normal oil. ... Just wondering why not? >'Kat I don't suggest it because in researching it I found that half the pro's were for it and half against. There were quite a few people that damaged motors due to mixing mineral and synthetic. I suppose you can drain off the synthetic and go back to mineral, but I prefer the fact that synthetic is a superior oil, so I won't go back. Some expensive vehicle brands insist that only synthetic be used. Some engine rebuilders hate doing motors that have had additives or synthetic in as they are harder to bore and hone due to the slippery lubes.
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Post by spunn on Jul 28, 2014 9:03:22 GMT -5
I stick with Yamahlube Gold Bottle, some say waste of money, but lets be honest its worth the money when you change it 2 year.
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Post by shalomdawg on Jul 28, 2014 11:53:08 GMT -5
howdy, i'll answer because you asked what the forum users do and why. i personally use synthetic when i have the engine broken in and have found in fact that -if i remember correctly- sym, kymco and piaggio scooters that i have owned reccomend synthetics. i have used it in all my vehicles since 1975. the specific brand i use mostly is mobil 1.
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Post by bandito2 on Jul 28, 2014 17:45:18 GMT -5
I use MOBIL 10W-40 full synthetic in my Honda Reflex scooters and my Honda FSC600A scooter. Works for me.
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Post by urbanmadness on Jul 28, 2014 18:24:12 GMT -5
You don't need to worry about running synthetic effecting a wet clutch on most of these scooters. Most of our bikes (if not all) use dry clutches.
I use mineral oil in my gy6 motors, and synthetic in my Aprilia and Goldwing. On the gy-6 motors, the oil isn't in long enough to really take advantage of the synthetic due to the lack of oil filter. Just keep it clean it and it's all good (1/2 a quart of oil every 1000 miles is nothing). The Aprilia has an oil filter and Aprilia recommends synthetic and they of course, know way more about engineering and metallurgy then I do. It currently has Castrol 4t synthetic in it, but will get changed to Rotella next change. The Gold wing gets Rotella synthetic blend(recommended by the forums, and the trans works better using it)
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Post by bvance554 on Jul 28, 2014 22:33:32 GMT -5
Just wondering why not? >'Kat I don't suggest it because in researching it I found that half the pro's were for it and half against. There were quite a few people that damaged motors due to mixing mineral and synthetic. I suppose you can drain off the synthetic and go back to mineral, but I prefer the fact that synthetic is a superior oil, so I won't go back. Some expensive vehicle brands insist that only synthetic be used. Some engine rebuilders hate doing motors that have had additives or synthetic in as they are harder to bore and hone due to the slippery lubes. That is 100% bogus. You can mix them all you want and even switch back and forth every oil change and your engine will never notice the difference. I can guarantee you no engine was ever damaged because someone mixed synthetic and conventional oil. Synthetic oil is not a magic elixir. I use Rotella 15W-40 in my engine and Walmart Supertech 75w- 'synthetic' in the gear box.
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Post by Kwagga on Jul 29, 2014 1:19:36 GMT -5
I don't suggest it because in researching it I found that half the pro's were for it and half against. There were quite a few people that damaged motors due to mixing mineral and synthetic. I suppose you can drain off the synthetic and go back to mineral, but I prefer the fact that synthetic is a superior oil, so I won't go back. Some expensive vehicle brands insist that only synthetic be used. Some engine rebuilders hate doing motors that have had additives or synthetic in as they are harder to bore and hone due to the slippery lubes. That is 100% bogus. You can mix them all you want and even switch back and forth every oil change and your engine will never notice the difference. I can guarantee you no engine was ever damaged because someone mixed synthetic and conventional oil. Synthetic oil is not a magic elixir. So then you are telling me that you know everything and that all the cases of where motors have been damaged are lies? I mentioned above that there are many different theories, from pro's to the vocal ignorant, but I am not prepared to risk it. On most if not all modern models, BMW & Mercedes insist on synthetic, and will void a warranty if other oil is used. No offence intended, but I will rather follow their advice.
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Post by oldchopperguy on Jul 29, 2014 1:32:36 GMT -5
Personally, I use similar lube choices to bvance554; Rotella 15W/40 Heavy-Duty Diesel in my engine, and straight gear-lube in the gearbox. That's the stuff specified in my old Xingyue aircooled 150 owners guide, AND my Kymco watercooled 250 owner's guide AND the Kymco shop-service manual. I have no knowledge of the synthetics, but have just stayed with what the manuals specify... 15W/40 engine oil and 90W gear oil. I've put a lot of miles on the scoots with no trouble, in 100-degree+ summer, and 40 degree cool weather. I change the engine oil every 1,000 miles, and the gearbox every 3 seasons. No complaints so far... Ride safe, Leo in Texas
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Post by onewheeldrive on Jul 29, 2014 1:40:29 GMT -5
I've been using 10w30 Castrol dino oil this time around. It's what I put in my first engine, and that engine lasted the longest--- although it was a stock engine without a BBK, and I got around 15,000 on the crank before it went out. It wasn't always Castrol though. I also used 5w30 Honda brand a few times, too.
I know most people on here seem to use 10w40 dino or syn, and that's what I used on my other 3 or so engines(plus rebuilds), but I'm taking my own route this time around.
I've also been changing my oil very frequently. Obviously I changed it before I even started the engine at 0 miles(for the engine not my odometer--it was around 40,160). Then again at 40,360 (200 miles later), 40,673 (313 miles later), 41,211 (538 miles later), 41,817 (606 miles later), 42,508 (691 miles later).
I also ride my scooter at full throttle constantly, probably 100 miles a week on a good week--- and that's true miles, not chinometers like the numbers in my post above this paragraph. I beat it up, for a little 72cc engine.
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Post by Kwagga on Jul 29, 2014 9:20:08 GMT -5
In my previous petrol motors I always used diesel oil according to the vehicle spec and temperature range. Diesel oil can be used in a petrol motor, but not the other way around, as diesel motors run much hotter. Diesel oil will have more additives and detergents than petrol oil and can take more punishment. Older motors can use thicker oil as parts start to wear and have more play. For Example, a motor with high mileage can be changed from 20w50 to SAE40. For extreme conditions, synthetic is better as it offers better protection. Most damage is done when the motor is cold, and unlike normal oil, synthetic does not run off as much, so on start-up there will be more oil in the wearing areas. Also, synthetic is attracted to heat, so if a motor is overheating, I would rather have synthetic protecting it. Synthetic allows for longer periods between oil changes, so although costlier, less oil is required. Interesting reads:www.star109.org/tech%20tips/Dr%20Jays%20Tech%20Tip%20Oil%202.htm (Good info) www.bobistheoilguy.com/ (Technical, but informative. Also good info regarding air filters)
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Post by Jarlaxle on Jul 29, 2014 9:20:41 GMT -5
That is 100% bogus. You can mix them all you want and even switch back and forth every oil change and your engine will never notice the difference. I can guarantee you no engine was ever damaged because someone mixed synthetic and conventional oil. Synthetic oil is not a magic elixir. So then you are telling me that you know everything and that all the cases of where motors have been damaged are lies? I mentioned above that there are many different theories, from pro's to the vocal ignorant, but I am not prepared to risk it. On most if not all modern models, BMW & Mercedes insist on synthetic, and will void a warranty if other oil is used. No offence intended, but I will rather follow their advice. Synthetic & mineral oils can be mixed with no problem. Note: almost all Fords in the last fifteen years left the FACTORY with mixed oil! (Motorcraft 5W20 IS a mineral-synthetic mix.) Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant or lying.
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