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Post by radcliff on Mar 21, 2013 1:31:44 GMT -5
Being afraid is a normal, and intelligent way to begin riding on the highway. After a while it becomes more fun and you begin to relax. Not everyone rides two wheels for a reason....some just cant hang.
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Post by oldbikerider on Mar 21, 2013 4:11:22 GMT -5
As said by others above, experience is the key. Leave yourself plenty of room to stop and maneuver, don't tailgate, ride within your comfort zone and you will be there soon. Like Prodigit, I feel safer on the freeway. City traffic is way more dangerous with all the intersections and distractions vying for attention. There are a few stretches of highway I avoid though: Atlanta, DC, Orlando and other metro areas that are highly congested around rush hour. I have had plenty of close call in town and only a few on the highway.
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Post by shalomrider on Mar 21, 2013 10:21:46 GMT -5
howdy, some professional athletes visualize doing their extreme performances. you can see them on the sidelines going through the motions. i use that technique to visualize traffic situations and what to do so that the response becomes ingrained. the most important thing i do while riding involves being sure not to be in a blind spot or a spot i anticipate a driver to want to go. when i am in that spot, it's like the hair on the back of neck sends a nervous message to brain saying solve this now. i will accelerate, slow down briefly, or change lanes , or even pull over and stop , to get away from the danger.
lotsa miles and smiles to ya ken
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Post by terrilee on Mar 21, 2013 10:28:53 GMT -5
may i add something else i havent seen anyone else say?
long time ago, we had "sunday blue laws" malls & such werent allowed to be open. so on sundays, you'd see all kinds of people , in the parking lots practicing maneuvers. bikes , cages. especially the 1st snow fall.
thats how i practiced quick stops, quick turns etc etc. its better to practice w/o anyone around you, then in traffic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE U'D DO THIS TODAY ? IDK
and that gives you confidence
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Post by rockynv on Mar 21, 2013 12:14:05 GMT -5
First thing is to take the MSF Basic Riders course if you haven't already. There you will learn to do a quick stop along with a panic brake with swerve and other accident avoidence techniques. Having this training is a start after that you just need to get experience with you bike so you are familiar with how it responds. I don't give the Interstate a second thought on my Aprilia however my former bike while it would go 65 mph was not a big confidence builder with its 10" wheels.
One thing to remember during the quick stop is that you have to have the front wheel straight or you will flip the bike if you brake too hard.
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Post by jwalz1 on Mar 21, 2013 14:46:23 GMT -5
It did not take me much time at all to get on the highway, I had to to get the bike home. A 65 zone and I did 70 mph my first ride on a first time motorcycle license. HOWEVER this highway is semi heavy traffic, it was at off peak and it is out at the end of the suburbs. I still have yet to get on the major freeways in town, especially during anywhere near peak traffic. Don't need to to go anywhere I want to go, and does not suit my riding style which is occasional commute, local errands and joyriding. I do plan to take some rural highway down a scenic river about 150 miles this summer on an overnight just for fun. The freeways near me are four lanes each direction and to much weaving traffic. I guess I am not scared to do it, but have no reason to. Everywhere I want to go has more scenic routes along a waterway that I'd rather drive anyway and don't care to mix with weaving idiots. I am not scared of the speed, I am leery of the other drivers. I have taken the bike now up to mph on a rural road and decided that was enough , but the speed never scared me as the bike is stable and confident. But watch some teen make a triple lane change without putting down his cell phone and looking at traffic and you don't need to even take a chance. NEVER ride outside of what you feel comfortable with. If it is just two lanes in each direction, fine with me, don't care how fast. It is riding in the middle of four lanes with traffic cutting in from either side that bothers me. People drive horribly here at different speeds. Get on a four laner and some people are doing 55, some 75, some 65, and weaving and mingling all over the place. If I decide I want to do 65, some moron in an SUV will get a car length behind me and follow at the same speed. The people going seventy five and weaving might want to cut in front of the suv behind me while weaving and not see me. That is what the cage is for. Some people say, just always be passing and you don't have to worry about traffic coming up behind you. In my limited experience, the ego manicacs around here that get passed by a scooter suddenly want to give chase and hang around close to you to prove something. Try to do eighty, then they suddenly want to do 82 once you passed them. Slow down to 65, your tailer does the same and suddenly you are in a pack of idiots all around you texting and munching french fries. No thanks. Traveling in two lanes is just fine, but four lanes moving in the same direction you have to account for idiots from behind, in front, both directly and to either side. Since this is not my only form of transportation and this would not be much fun, the three and four laners get the car.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 22, 2013 0:49:40 GMT -5
A lot also depends on your bike. The Aprilia I ride is more stable on the interstate than some of the cruisers I ride with so I am more comfortable then they are in heavy traffic and cross winds. A ride across the state on a windy day is no big deal to me on my current bike however it is a 250 CC maxi scooter made by a sport bike company and not a typical 250. I have also been riding off and on for over 40 years and learned to drive the interstates in muscle cars like Oldsmobile Holiday coupes with the 394 Rocket V8's or Plymouth Duster Demons and such when the posted speed on most was 75 and sometimes higher so traffic flowing at or 100+ was a bit more common in places than it is today.
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Post by spandi on Mar 22, 2013 1:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by prodigit on Mar 22, 2013 1:43:17 GMT -5
On the highway, gas mileage goes down when you go a lot faster than 50MPH. Also, the scenery goes by faster. I generally love to ride @~35MPH, not on the highway, taking in the view. On the highway, everything kind of flies you by...
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Post by wentwest on Mar 22, 2013 20:47:56 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts.
A business park or industrial park is a fine place to practice if you live in a busy urban area. They are pretty quiet on weekends.
Freeways. The way I see it it's somewhat more predictable than city streets. Everyone goes the same direction, at similar speeds. Sure, there are jerks, but they don't turn left in front of you (Gee officer, I never saw that lil moped!) and they rarely just stop and back into a parking space. Almost no one opens a door into me on the freeway. Not too many red light runners crossing in front of me. Here in California we can lane split, and that's an entirely different experience, much more risky and much more fun, but wait a while until you feel ready for it. Otherwise, take a spin on a freeway on a Sunday morning and get a sense of the speed and the sound. You'll be amazed that you survived, and you'll understand that it can be done.
I commute on San Francisco Bay Area freeways every day on an old Honda 250 Elite, and so far it's been OK. I'm 67 years old, I'm not a complete jerk, and I don't think it's crazy.
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Post by spandi on Mar 22, 2013 21:25:46 GMT -5
Really resonable and well thought out posting wentwest I'm down in Palm Springs and find the freeway about the same as the Washington D.C. area I rode around years ago, and I still do pretty much the same, right lane, constant cruise speed, and I don't get bothered much. Too many "haunted house" stories about taking your scoot on the freeway. Thanks!
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Post by prodigit on Mar 23, 2013 1:09:52 GMT -5
There's a lot of those horror stories told. A lot of people are ignorant, not because they want to, but just because they don't know what a scooter is and how traffic goes. I often ask people: How many accidents did you make inside your car? Most of them would say none, or one small one. Well, that's about the same for a scooter.
Very few people actually have experienced a big accident resulting in major damage (both collateral as bodily) or fatality.
Sure, a scootard is less protected against the elements around him, but if an accident is eminent, he often is able to do things, a car can not (like slide, corner sharp, steer between or away from an obstacle); just because a car is so much wider, it is more prone to get damaged, where as a scooter may perhaps squeeze in between the two cars in front of him.
Where a car would hit another car and cost thousands of dollars to get it fixed, a scootard, with the right protective gear, usually ends up paying a few hundred bucks for replacing tupperware, and/or a few other thingies, and has a scare by sliding over the road. Perhaps a few bruises too, but most of them have nothing lasting.
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Post by rockynv on Mar 23, 2013 9:46:30 GMT -5
With the bike I have a number of times avoided being part of an accident happening beside or in front of my just because the bike was able to fit into a smaller space and get out of harms way. If I had been driving a car or my van most of those times I would have been involved with damages and possibly personal injuries.
On the interstate (most roads really) the lanes are usually wide enough for a bike to fit between the cars which is one reason the MSF teaches the swerve manuver followed by the quick stop. To swerve and stop between or besides them is better than running head-on into a pileup and going over the top.
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Post by imnts2 on Mar 24, 2013 14:20:50 GMT -5
First what are you riding? Have you taken the Motorcycle endorsement course? Has anyone a lottle more experience riden your scoot. I am wondering if perhaps your scoot is not quiet right. Sounds like it might be a little squirly. But you instincts are right. Believe me it take nothing to couss you hurt. A peble in the rong place can tumble you. A small handful of sand. Even just a trivial rut. So tgake you time, be careful. wear good protective gear and enjoy.
Good luck. Do not rush getting on the freeway or on high speed streets. Avoid rush hours and night riding for now.
Good lousk and keep in touch. But please get an experience rider to ride you scoot and make sure it is not got a handleing problem.
Lefty2
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 15:12:14 GMT -5
I always wear a HIGH VISIBLITY outer cover. I have one like the road workers wear so that it'll fit over whatever jacket I'm weaing. And, for me anyway, I took my mirrors off so that I don't see huge semis bearing down on me and I'm also forced to look over my shoulder (no blind spot).
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